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01/20/2015 05:54 AM (UTC)
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As a character modeler, it shouldn't be hard to get facial features right for a second game. Sorry but they have amateurs modeling characters. If they can't be consistent, then it's going to look goofy every time.

There's also no reason why Jade has to have different colored skin. It's poor on their end whe they can keep consistency up in their creations. But Jade is not the only character who is at fault, even Sonya doesn't have a consistent face. It bothers me that they can't design just using better programs and engines.
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01/20/2015 05:58 AM (UTC)
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Looking at some in-game shots of her, I can see how you perceived "tanned white girl". So nevermind. Like Jax, I'm not disagreeing. Ultimately, this perception issue shouldn't exist. Her MKD look was mint.
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01/20/2015 06:02 AM (UTC)
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God she's so hot.
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diirecthit
01/20/2015 06:11 AM (UTC)
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Now i'm not trying to change your opinion, but this is what i call white washing:







And let's not even get started on her classic costumes:





They could've at least matched the tone of her primary costume if they weren't going to truly give her full classic treatment
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01/20/2015 06:16 AM (UTC)
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I totally forgot about her classic costumes in MK9. I never picked them because her skin tone wasn't accurate. Such a shame.
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diirecthit
01/20/2015 06:20 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
As a character modeler, it shouldn't be hard to get facial features right for a second game. Sorry but they have amateurs modeling characters. If they can't be consistent, then it's going to look goofy every time.

There's also no reason why Jade has to have different colored skin. It's poor on their end whe they can keep consistency up in their creations. But Jade is not the only character who is at fault, even Sonya doesn't have a consistent face. It bothers me that they can't design just using better programs and engines.


Really? Out of the 11 playable characters from MKvsDC, i feel like they did a GREAT job getting Sonya, Kano and Raiden's faces right in MK9 (right as in extremely similar to the previous game). In fact, i always felt as if they recycled their MKvsDC faces. Liu Kang and Jax though look completely different, and it's hard to judge the masked characters although you can tell Kitana did get a new face, she had a horribly round face in MKvsDC and huge eyes that didn't carry over.

If you're referring to previous games (MK4 -> MKDA, etc) then i agree.
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01/20/2015 06:25 AM (UTC)
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I wish I could remember what thread it was in, I think it was asking what nationality or race is Jade.

This is a ridiculous question for anybody to ask. Jade is from a fictional planet; unless we know something about races and ethnicities in Edenia it's a completely pointless thing to even consider.

The only thing anyone can say for certainty is that Jade is dark-skinned. Whether she appears to be similar (in design) to African (black), Indian (not black), South-East Asian (not black), or Native American (not black) is completely at the mercy of whichever artist designed her for a particular game. She does not have an established race, other than being Edenian.

Icebaby Wrote:Razor, as the obvious stubborn brat that he always is, denied that she changed throughout each game, or something similar towards that. I placed all her sprites and 3D models in Photoshop and indeed saw the differences in every single tone.


That's because RazorsEdge is a fucking manchild with completely asinine obsessions. Yes Razor I know you still read this forum. Grow the fuck up. I'm sure your dad has told you this a hundred times.
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01/20/2015 06:30 AM (UTC)
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honestly. what they did to jade is relatively tame compared to DoA's Lisa and Virtua Fighter's Vanessa (vitiligo much?). the Japanese fighting games don't like having dark skinned chicks in their roster.

Jade in general always seemed to have an appearance of a dark skinned East-Indian but in MK9 they took away the dark orange/reddish tint she's always had in the previous games.

my guess is that the MK team overlooked the fact that her current skin color was not consistent with the past games.

Hopefully they fix this in the next game Jade appears in (certainly won't be MKX)

And hopefully Tanya doesn't magically turn asian in MKX.
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01/20/2015 06:34 AM (UTC)
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DarkKard4 Wrote:
honestly. what they do to jade is relatively tame compared to DoA's Lisa and Virtua Fighter's Vanessa.

Jade in general always seemed to have an appearance dark skinned East-Indian but in MK9 they took away the dark orange/reddish tint she's always had in the previous games.

my guess is that the MK team overlooked the fact that her current skin color was not consistent with the past games.

Hopefully they fix this in the next game Jade appears in (certainly won't be MKX)

And hopefully Tanya doesn't magically turn asian in MKX


They already white-washed Tanya in MKD, in MK4 she was dark-skinned (comparable to UMK3 Jade) but in MKD, although i guess she could pass as black due to her features, she had lighter skin tone than Jade both in art and in game.
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01/20/2015 09:50 AM (UTC)
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Jade is absolute perfection in MK(9,2011) so if she would return, I hope it will be like that.
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01/20/2015 10:32 AM (UTC)
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diirecthit Wrote:

They already white-washed Tanya in MKD, in MK4 she was dark-skinned (comparable to UMK3 Jade) but in MKD, although i guess she could pass as black due to her features, she had lighter skin tone than Jade both in art and in game.


Oh fuck right off with that. What, does she have to be charcoal black before you consider her "not white"? Fucking hell, she looked blacker than Jackie Brown in MKD. She even looked like she was wearing a damn weave!

Jesus Tapdancing Christ I sincerely hope people like you are just trolling. You can't seriously be this thick. Or blind.
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MacyG88
01/20/2015 10:50 AM (UTC)
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I didn't notice any white-washing on Jade...?

Maybe I just have bad vision?
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01/20/2015 10:57 AM (UTC)
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Jade is top 3 female for me. She's great. Kitana and Li Mei are white, so I wouldn't mind Jade being an olive skinned Mediterranean just for the sake of diversity. But I don't really care about her skin tone.
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01/20/2015 11:19 AM (UTC)
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It's kinda childish that people are bashing Razor, he's not here to defend himself and most debates that I read that he was in, he was always right. This is a good discussion to have about Jade, unfortunately, it always turns into a debate. I will say that political correctness and progressivism are ruining everything though.

Anyway, back to Jade, I prefer her with dark skin. She has always had dark tan skin. The only situation that people should be complaining about Jade's skin tone is her MK2 costume in MK9. That was weird that they made her white in that costume. Her render in MK9 was just a render, yes her skin should have been darker in the render but it was still dark in the game. Jade has always had dark skin in every game she has been in: MK2, UMK3, MKD, MKSM, MKA, and MK9. The only real inconsistency was her DLC MK2 costume.


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01/20/2015 11:22 AM (UTC)
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I think MK Deception did a great job with Jade, and Tanya for that matter.

Deception still to this day has some of my favorite costume designs. Love Jade, Tanya and Mileena's designs. In my opinion, those three still have yet to be topped for the specific characters.
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It's kinda childish that people are bashing Razor, he's not here to defend himself.
This. Dude's not even here anymore and yet he's still a great contributor to a fan podcast despite what he said in the past, doesn't matter anymore, it's irrelevant. People have opinions, people have tempers, people lose tempers, people make mistakes. Every day. Multiple times a day. Every week. Every month. Every year. People in general are fuck ups. It's human nature. That shit is done. It's immature to still even be bringing it up and talking about it instead of just being adults and letting it go.
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01/20/2015 11:45 AM (UTC)
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JAX007 Wrote:
diirecthit Wrote:
JAX007 Wrote:
Jade's MK9 render is a very poor representation of how she looks in the game. It looks like another character. They often have a that problem with consistency with many of the characters looks, in the very same game.

With that said, the white washing of characters in games is completely lame and I'd be disappointed to see that happen again even if just on artwork.


True but her in-game model was still considerably white-washed compared to her MKD one for example. Jax was still dark skinned in MK9 so there is NO excuse for Jade's case.


Actually, Jax was darker in MKvsDC...and again looked like a completly different person. The MK9 version probably looks more his older iterations tho.

There's really a consistency issue in the series in general, not just with skin colour, but facial and body structure ect.

This had to be a concious decision from NRS, because Raiden, Scorpion, Sonya, Kano, Sub-Zero, and Shao Kahn look the same from MKvsDC to MK9, whereas Liu Kang, Jax, and Kitana look completely different. I preferred Jax in MKvsDC up until I actually played MK9, but seriously Kitana was wayyy better in the previous game. Why they decided to change it, I have no clue, but I'm glad there was some consistency. I hope on a go-forward we see more of that.
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01/20/2015 11:50 AM (UTC)
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Jhonny Wrote:
Jade is absolute perfection in MK(9,2011) so if she would return, I hope it will be like that.


Agreed
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01/20/2015 01:27 PM (UTC)
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Aquarius_D Wrote:
Jhonny Wrote:
Jade is absolute perfection in MK(9,2011) so if she would return, I hope it will be like that.


Agreed


I also agree. Her skin tone is fine in MK9.
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01/20/2015 01:29 PM (UTC)
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NRS is definitely shady for using that light ass.promotional render of Jade but she looked more or less the same in game so its not sooooo bad. Still I don't want to see.it happening again.
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01/20/2015 02:15 PM (UTC)
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Dark-skinned.

But this question applies to Tanya a lot more. Because in MKD, she fully became white, or at least an extremely light-skinned mulato.
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01/20/2015 03:55 PM (UTC)
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WeaponTheory Wrote:
Aquarius_D Wrote:
Jhonny Wrote:
Jade is absolute perfection in MK(9,2011) so if she would return, I hope it will be like that.


Agreed


I also agree. Her skin tone is fine in MK9.


Agree too.

I always saw Jade as really tanned, like someone from Brazil or middle east, but literally never, in any of her incarnations, though of her as a black woman, she just doesn't have the features and the color of her skin has always been closer to tanned skin IMO. Not that I have a problem with her being black, but I never though she was because I didn't though she looked like it.

And speaking about it, I also don't think Tanya counts as black either, maybe there are more arguments for her than with Jade, but I don't see it either.

I'd put them both on Vin Diesel and Dwayne Johnson's category where it's so mixed that you don't have any idea what ethnicity they're supposed to be.
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01/20/2015 04:02 PM (UTC)
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KingKahn-909 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
I wish I could remember what thread it was in, I think it was asking what nationality or race is Jade.

This is a ridiculous question for anybody to ask. Jade is from a fictional planet; unless we know something about races and ethnicities in Edenia it's a completely pointless thing to even consider.

The only thing anyone can say for certainty is that Jade is dark-skinned. Whether she appears to be similar (in design) to African (black), Indian (not black), South-East Asian (not black), or Native American (not black) is completely at the mercy of whichever artist designed her for a particular game. She does not have an established race, other than being Edenian.

Icebaby Wrote:Razor, as the obvious stubborn brat that he always is, denied that she changed throughout each game, or something similar towards that. I placed all her sprites and 3D models in Photoshop and indeed saw the differences in every single tone.


That's because RazorsEdge is a fucking manchild with completely asinine obsessions. Yes Razor I know you still read this forum. Grow the fuck up. I'm sure your dad has told you this a hundred times.


You call Razor a man-child but you're acting like one. Shut the fuck up and quit talking shit to someone who doesn't even post here anymore.
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01/20/2015 08:24 PM (UTC)
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I always figured Jade was Latino...
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Icebaby
01/20/2015 08:35 PM (UTC)
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wdm6789 Wrote:
It's kinda childish that people are bashing Razor,


My comment was not really meant as an insult. I've always called him a stubborn brat and he knows that. I am not going to insult him by calling him a fucktard or whatever was used, even though I will admit I've never liked him. That's just mean and unfair.

I was more so trying to explain how her skin has changed always, it's never stayed a persistent tone. She was either dark or light. He didn't really see eye to eye with what I had to say here and didn't really quite just let it be.

But then it spilled into some other hot topic that I kinda dashed out of because he was going at it with another user who no longer is here.

This topic really made me remember that thread because it had very interesting debates before some kinda took it too personally.
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wdm6789
01/20/2015 08:42 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
wdm6789 Wrote:
It's kinda childish that people are bashing Razor,


My comment was not really meant as an insult. I've always called him a stubborn brat and he knows that. I am not going to insult him by calling him a fucktard or whatever was used, even though I will admit I've never liked him. That's just mean and unfair.

I was more so trying to explain how her skin has changed always, it's never stayed a persistent tone. She was either dark or light. He didn't really see eye to eye with what I had to say here and didn't really quite just let it be.

But then it spilled into some other hot topic that I kinda dashed out of because he was going at it with another user who no longer is here.

This topic really made me remember that thread because it had very interesting debates before some kinda took it too personally.


I said in my earlier post, the only inconsistent skin tone Jade has had is her MK2 DLC costume in MK9. She has had dark skin in every game. I don't understand why people think she hasn't.

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