What I would/would not like to see in the next MK
What I would/would not like to see in the next MK
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posted08/04/2009 12:33 AM (UTC)by
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Ok. So here are some of my ideas as far as what I would and would not like to see in the game.
Pits/Deathtraps: I would like to see pits and deathtraps return. Except, here's the system I think should be used. Take a look at the following diagram. By the way I meant to put 3 or 4 feet in that image.
This picture shows 2 platforms. One above the other. The red line indicates a death trap and the yellow line indicates a warning that there is another platform below you, just like in the mk games. Except in my system, you would not see those lines in the game when you are fighting. ( just so you know, I drew this picture with deathtraps in mind, so if it was pits we were talking about then the red line could be all around that circle instead) You may be asking, " Well how would you know where the deathtraps or pits are without the red indicator?" Well the answer is you wouldn't know by the red indicator, but instead you would have to look at the enviorment when your fighting or just observing someone play and look to see if there are any things in the enviorment that look like death traps. This adds mystery to the game as well. Like how mk2 did when you thought you could knock someone on a hook in the Dead Pool or feed them to a tree in the Living Forest.
Like if you see some meat grinders from the Slaughterhouse stage in deception, thats a clue to the fact that you can get thrown in there. Also, you can only be knocked into a pit/deathtrap once you have defeated your opponent 2 rounds. This makes the game alot more realistic, instead of being able to do it during a round and then come back and fight for a second.
Now I realize that if you have beaten your opponent twice already and you are in a arena with 2 platforms and are still on the top platform when its time to finish them off, you are probably wondering "Wait, I'm still on the top level. I have to be on the bottom level if I want to knock him/her into a death trap...WTF?" Well the thing about this, is, you would not be able to do it unless you were on the second platform. I know this kind of sucks but I can't really see a way to work around this if you have multi-tierd stages (unless you have a suggestion on how to get around this). Plus I feel that this adds a sense of reward to the game because you were able to get close enough to knock him in the trap. This could probably work easier if your just fighting on one platform where the pit or death trap is, ( you would have to be facing the direction of the deathtrap though) so you could then just do a running jump kick and make your opponent go flying into the trap or pit.
Realism/Blood/Fatalities: As far as fatalities go, they should be more realistic as well. So when it comes to weapons: with swords and sometimes knives, you should be able to sever fingers, hands, sections of arms, toes, feet, sections of legs, heads, torso etc. in various fashions. As well as slit your opponents throat and stab them in the core areas of the body, like chest, back, stomach, as well as parts of the head, neck and top of shoulders. If the weapon is used more for stabbing like a fork or a spear then thrust those core areas I was talking about. Finally if its a club type weapon then just beat them or choke them to death lol. Also bladed and pointed weapons should dig out organs from the body. Hands can be used also to rip out organs. If we are talking using your bare hands, then, eye gouging, neck, limb and back breaking are a must There should be about 3 fatalities a person and it would be like the old mk's where you are watching a sequence play out.
More realistic looking blood like in this video of The Crossing. Wait for the video to load. It takes a while.
I wish they would also do away with pop up attacks, juggling your opponent in the air and air kombat like in MKA. I feel these features have always make MK feel heavily unreal.
Weapon Cosmetics The types of cosmetics I don't want to see are the colored effects weapons emit, when you swing them, like in this videoSee here. I mean sparks when bladed weapons clash would be cool, but that's about it.
Special Powers/Moves: Even though I would like MK to be as real as possible, it would still be nice to see special powers and moves in the game, like Sub Zero's freeze move. I feel it's a trademark of the game.
Realms The one thing I didn't like about the newer Mk's is the whole realms thing. It's based too much in fantasy. Keep it simple and grounded.
DLC: Downloadable content is a must!
Online fighting: is a must!
Stage and Character Themes: Keep some of the oriental themes in the game by making some stages and characters look like they are in/from Asia, like they have done in past games.
Audio/Visual Effects: Dripping sweat and blood. Sounds of becoming tired as the fight progresses. Blood should not come out of the opponent every time he/she is hit, unless it is with a sharp weapon. Put in bruising and torn clothes.
Visual Features/Mechanics: No cutting off limbs during a fight and then keep the fight going. No instant kills like in Guilty Gear. Also what about if the player holds his wounds while he is in a neutral stance?
Victory Poses: I wouldn't like to see anymore of these. It's just weird. Especially after you kill your opponent.
Weapon Variations: Someone mentioned that in Armageddon, alot of the weapons are swords. There is a hell of alot more weapons out there to choose from: like a monks spade, tiger fork, halberd, three section staff, butterfly swords. You get the idea.
Authenticity: Use authentic fighting styles. Check out some of the moves Kabal should have used with his hookswords here. It would have been so bad ass to see him link his swords together and swing them around as a long ranged attack. Also, only some characters should use weapons all the time and if they have a free hand open they can punch as well as kick. Other characters should just be empty handed characters. That way this pleases both players who like to use weapons as well as ones who don't.
Pits/Deathtraps: I would like to see pits and deathtraps return. Except, here's the system I think should be used. Take a look at the following diagram. By the way I meant to put 3 or 4 feet in that image.
This picture shows 2 platforms. One above the other. The red line indicates a death trap and the yellow line indicates a warning that there is another platform below you, just like in the mk games. Except in my system, you would not see those lines in the game when you are fighting. ( just so you know, I drew this picture with deathtraps in mind, so if it was pits we were talking about then the red line could be all around that circle instead) You may be asking, " Well how would you know where the deathtraps or pits are without the red indicator?" Well the answer is you wouldn't know by the red indicator, but instead you would have to look at the enviorment when your fighting or just observing someone play and look to see if there are any things in the enviorment that look like death traps. This adds mystery to the game as well. Like how mk2 did when you thought you could knock someone on a hook in the Dead Pool or feed them to a tree in the Living Forest.
Like if you see some meat grinders from the Slaughterhouse stage in deception, thats a clue to the fact that you can get thrown in there. Also, you can only be knocked into a pit/deathtrap once you have defeated your opponent 2 rounds. This makes the game alot more realistic, instead of being able to do it during a round and then come back and fight for a second.
Now I realize that if you have beaten your opponent twice already and you are in a arena with 2 platforms and are still on the top platform when its time to finish them off, you are probably wondering "Wait, I'm still on the top level. I have to be on the bottom level if I want to knock him/her into a death trap...WTF?" Well the thing about this, is, you would not be able to do it unless you were on the second platform. I know this kind of sucks but I can't really see a way to work around this if you have multi-tierd stages (unless you have a suggestion on how to get around this). Plus I feel that this adds a sense of reward to the game because you were able to get close enough to knock him in the trap. This could probably work easier if your just fighting on one platform where the pit or death trap is, ( you would have to be facing the direction of the deathtrap though) so you could then just do a running jump kick and make your opponent go flying into the trap or pit.
Realism/Blood/Fatalities: As far as fatalities go, they should be more realistic as well. So when it comes to weapons: with swords and sometimes knives, you should be able to sever fingers, hands, sections of arms, toes, feet, sections of legs, heads, torso etc. in various fashions. As well as slit your opponents throat and stab them in the core areas of the body, like chest, back, stomach, as well as parts of the head, neck and top of shoulders. If the weapon is used more for stabbing like a fork or a spear then thrust those core areas I was talking about. Finally if its a club type weapon then just beat them or choke them to death lol. Also bladed and pointed weapons should dig out organs from the body. Hands can be used also to rip out organs. If we are talking using your bare hands, then, eye gouging, neck, limb and back breaking are a must There should be about 3 fatalities a person and it would be like the old mk's where you are watching a sequence play out.
More realistic looking blood like in this video of The Crossing. Wait for the video to load. It takes a while.
I wish they would also do away with pop up attacks, juggling your opponent in the air and air kombat like in MKA. I feel these features have always make MK feel heavily unreal.
Weapon Cosmetics The types of cosmetics I don't want to see are the colored effects weapons emit, when you swing them, like in this videoSee here. I mean sparks when bladed weapons clash would be cool, but that's about it.
Special Powers/Moves: Even though I would like MK to be as real as possible, it would still be nice to see special powers and moves in the game, like Sub Zero's freeze move. I feel it's a trademark of the game.
Realms The one thing I didn't like about the newer Mk's is the whole realms thing. It's based too much in fantasy. Keep it simple and grounded.
DLC: Downloadable content is a must!
Online fighting: is a must!
Stage and Character Themes: Keep some of the oriental themes in the game by making some stages and characters look like they are in/from Asia, like they have done in past games.
Audio/Visual Effects: Dripping sweat and blood. Sounds of becoming tired as the fight progresses. Blood should not come out of the opponent every time he/she is hit, unless it is with a sharp weapon. Put in bruising and torn clothes.
Visual Features/Mechanics: No cutting off limbs during a fight and then keep the fight going. No instant kills like in Guilty Gear. Also what about if the player holds his wounds while he is in a neutral stance?
Victory Poses: I wouldn't like to see anymore of these. It's just weird. Especially after you kill your opponent.
Weapon Variations: Someone mentioned that in Armageddon, alot of the weapons are swords. There is a hell of alot more weapons out there to choose from: like a monks spade, tiger fork, halberd, three section staff, butterfly swords. You get the idea.
Authenticity: Use authentic fighting styles. Check out some of the moves Kabal should have used with his hookswords here. It would have been so bad ass to see him link his swords together and swing them around as a long ranged attack. Also, only some characters should use weapons all the time and if they have a free hand open they can punch as well as kick. Other characters should just be empty handed characters. That way this pleases both players who like to use weapons as well as ones who don't.
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1 = I like the death traps and all, just have them be hard to toss people in to it. Weak moves like a jab would not do it, you could have a juggle escape, maybe a resistance against attacks when near them, so the fighters try extra hard to keep their balance and not get tossed in to one.
2 = I'd like the fatalities to be fantastic, but more realistic looking at the same time. Like, you could use the ones from the previous games, and change the way they are done to look less goofy.
3 = I agree on the realistic blood. A bloody game like MK should have great blood effects, with splattering on the walls etc. Their clothes and weapons could get bloody also.
4 = They could get rid of your standard juggles that go over 1 or 2 hits, not necessarily pop ups. Also get rid of wall bounce juggles, the opponent should slam in to the wall, not bounce next to it.
The combat system could be made to look less like the cliché video game style, and lean more towards a fast paced kung fu movie. Think Storm Riders, Jet li, Jackie Chan, MKD intro....
You could have stun combos, collapse combos, ground combos, throw combos, reversals in to combos, etc.... You don't need the common volley ball juggles to have a fun fighting game. 1 or 2 hits in the air max would be fine.
5 = Just some motion blur, or like a heat distortion would be fine for weapon effects + sparks on contact.
6 = Special powers are fine, but I'd like for them to be more special looking. Like what you would see in a movie, or an anime. How the powers look in the MK intro movies would be great.
7= I don't care for the story much either, but it is one of the most important things in MK, so it should be well made. I don't mind the fantasy elements.
8 = The only create a ______ I'd keep is the fatalities. They should be made special for every character, just like the combos. Have old style fatalities added to some basic moves, but they can be altered at will in sick looking ways. Every move has to look bad ass though, no stupid stuff like the KAF in MKA. I'm thinking something more like the throw chains King has in Tekken, and the kill moves in God of war.
The kills should be done during a match though, not after with the opponent just standing there.
For this to work, I'd make the kills be like super moves that either can't be done too often, are very hard to pull off, or are easy to escape.
Maybe, instead of the normal dizzy stance at the end, it could be that the opponent tries to get up and fight but can't , or falls down again, or they could be on the floor struggling etc. You would take advantage of this and go finish them.
It would be more like what you'd see in a movie.
9 = They really should hire some high level players of many types of fighting games. Hire some fight choreographers and experienced martial artists or stunt men...
They could do the animations free hand too, with a program called Endorphin. It uses dynamics to make animations more realistic. It was used for the newer Tekken games. The animations are very good and stylish / dynamic.
10 = Online fighting should stay, and with some special servers to improve performance.
11 = The Asian theme is good, I'd keep this and the other stages MK has. I like their style, but they could be made a lot better. They are pretty plain looking after playing a game like Soul Calibur 3, etc.
12 = Some interaction for special match ups would be nice, talking or a pre fight.... Something like the fights in Shenmue maybe.
13 = Sweating, bleeding, battle damage in general would be nice. Fight Night R3 has some of these effects, Tao Feng too.
14 = I agree, have something that makes more sense, than the player doing a kung fu stance after they beat the opponent. Imagine someone doing that in a movie or for real.
Something more realistic would be fine, like what you see in real fights. It could depend on if there are spectators or not also. You wouldn't be showing off to the crowd if there is nobody there...
15 = A greater variety in weapons would be great to have.
16 = More authentic fighting styles would be good, just don't go too real with everything. Have lots of moves and combinations to work with.
17 = I'd also like for the characters too keep and improve their fighting styles from one game to the next. Having every character do different moves, no straight up copy and paste like in the latest MK games.
2 = I'd like the fatalities to be fantastic, but more realistic looking at the same time. Like, you could use the ones from the previous games, and change the way they are done to look less goofy.
3 = I agree on the realistic blood. A bloody game like MK should have great blood effects, with splattering on the walls etc. Their clothes and weapons could get bloody also.
4 = They could get rid of your standard juggles that go over 1 or 2 hits, not necessarily pop ups. Also get rid of wall bounce juggles, the opponent should slam in to the wall, not bounce next to it.
The combat system could be made to look less like the cliché video game style, and lean more towards a fast paced kung fu movie. Think Storm Riders, Jet li, Jackie Chan, MKD intro....
You could have stun combos, collapse combos, ground combos, throw combos, reversals in to combos, etc.... You don't need the common volley ball juggles to have a fun fighting game. 1 or 2 hits in the air max would be fine.
5 = Just some motion blur, or like a heat distortion would be fine for weapon effects + sparks on contact.
6 = Special powers are fine, but I'd like for them to be more special looking. Like what you would see in a movie, or an anime. How the powers look in the MK intro movies would be great.
7= I don't care for the story much either, but it is one of the most important things in MK, so it should be well made. I don't mind the fantasy elements.
8 = The only create a ______ I'd keep is the fatalities. They should be made special for every character, just like the combos. Have old style fatalities added to some basic moves, but they can be altered at will in sick looking ways. Every move has to look bad ass though, no stupid stuff like the KAF in MKA. I'm thinking something more like the throw chains King has in Tekken, and the kill moves in God of war.
The kills should be done during a match though, not after with the opponent just standing there.
For this to work, I'd make the kills be like super moves that either can't be done too often, are very hard to pull off, or are easy to escape.
Maybe, instead of the normal dizzy stance at the end, it could be that the opponent tries to get up and fight but can't , or falls down again, or they could be on the floor struggling etc. You would take advantage of this and go finish them.
It would be more like what you'd see in a movie.
9 = They really should hire some high level players of many types of fighting games. Hire some fight choreographers and experienced martial artists or stunt men...
They could do the animations free hand too, with a program called Endorphin. It uses dynamics to make animations more realistic. It was used for the newer Tekken games. The animations are very good and stylish / dynamic.
10 = Online fighting should stay, and with some special servers to improve performance.
11 = The Asian theme is good, I'd keep this and the other stages MK has. I like their style, but they could be made a lot better. They are pretty plain looking after playing a game like Soul Calibur 3, etc.
12 = Some interaction for special match ups would be nice, talking or a pre fight.... Something like the fights in Shenmue maybe.
13 = Sweating, bleeding, battle damage in general would be nice. Fight Night R3 has some of these effects, Tao Feng too.
14 = I agree, have something that makes more sense, than the player doing a kung fu stance after they beat the opponent. Imagine someone doing that in a movie or for real.
15 = A greater variety in weapons would be great to have.
16 = More authentic fighting styles would be good, just don't go too real with everything. Have lots of moves and combinations to work with.
17 = I'd also like for the characters too keep and improve their fighting styles from one game to the next. Having every character do different moves, no straight up copy and paste like in the latest MK games.
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Personally, I want to see characters like Havik, Noob, Scorpion, Raiden, Sub-Zero, and Dairoucome back fo the next-gen...even if I have to unlock or download them.
As far as the Kreate-a-fighter goes, they messed up on it the first time around, I want to use parts from the Default charaters (like Havik's shin gaurds). I wanted more weapons to use like Kamas, Staffs, Manriki-Gusari (whip chain), Tonfa, Sai, Knives/ Daggers, and more. Then there's the specials in KAF, I want 5 max, choosing what typeof special each one is (like 2 disabling, 2 charge, 1 teleport)
As for the fighting part...I want it like it was in MKD, two unarmed fighting styles and one weapon per character. Lets not forget about that Kreate-a-fatality cr*p
. I want two charatcer specific fatalties per charater, KAF fighters using those from default characters.I don't want that kreate a fatalilty unless I choose it in the options menu.
Then there's the fighting styles and how they are represented in the game, most of the attacks for the fighting styles aren't use by the styles (same goes for the stances). B.T.W. palm stikes are far stongger than anyone relizes when done correctly. Palm stikes are far more effective than any punch I know of (don't argue about this with me, I practice Tang Soo Do and realized palm strikes were strongger while sparring and then while breaking boards).
Then there's the mini games, I want to see the Puzzle Kombat, Chess Kombat, and the raceing with whatever else they put in there along with the Arcade and Konquest modes.
Lastly, I want one Konquest mode per playable character.
Now, thinga I don't want to see in the next-gen instalment...any combos that are 5 or moe hits long that only do about 23% or less damage.
No ridiulally long combos either, I made a 12 or 20 hit combo with Raiden in MKD (82-84% damage
) that just makes it annoying online if your on the receiving end.
But, all in al, the #1 thing is HAVIK MUST BE IN NEXT-GEN!
As far as the Kreate-a-fighter goes, they messed up on it the first time around, I want to use parts from the Default charaters (like Havik's shin gaurds). I wanted more weapons to use like Kamas, Staffs, Manriki-Gusari (whip chain), Tonfa, Sai, Knives/ Daggers, and more. Then there's the specials in KAF, I want 5 max, choosing what typeof special each one is (like 2 disabling, 2 charge, 1 teleport)
As for the fighting part...I want it like it was in MKD, two unarmed fighting styles and one weapon per character. Lets not forget about that Kreate-a-fatality cr*p
Then there's the fighting styles and how they are represented in the game, most of the attacks for the fighting styles aren't use by the styles (same goes for the stances). B.T.W. palm stikes are far stongger than anyone relizes when done correctly. Palm stikes are far more effective than any punch I know of (don't argue about this with me, I practice Tang Soo Do and realized palm strikes were strongger while sparring and then while breaking boards).
Then there's the mini games, I want to see the Puzzle Kombat, Chess Kombat, and the raceing with whatever else they put in there along with the Arcade and Konquest modes.
Lastly, I want one Konquest mode per playable character.
Now, thinga I don't want to see in the next-gen instalment...any combos that are 5 or moe hits long that only do about 23% or less damage.
No ridiulally long combos either, I made a 12 or 20 hit combo with Raiden in MKD (82-84% damage
But, all in al, the #1 thing is HAVIK MUST BE IN NEXT-GEN!
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