@dave, I doubt that about the gameplay. We don't know yet how MK8, SC4, SF4 or Tekken 6 will play. This game isn't going to have dial up combos apparently this time around and SC 3 was crap all together. Tekken is the same game over and over with some slightly new elements....and VF is fun overall but online sucks with the lack of character options.

They will all have their ups and downs like always...

It's just a matter of which you prefer and which you're a fan of, and lets face it...we are all a fan of one of them.



I'd rather play DOA4 over SC, Tekken or VF honestly.

I thought you promised me not to post something that you know very little about.

All of those games will be better than MK Vs. DC unless Boon tests his games. That is something you will eventually have to understand.

If you're referring to my SC and Tekken comments, much like you on MK dude you will play MK a little but you'll wind up playing Tekken and SC more right? Or Tekken at least, I like to give all fighters a shot at least before judging and to me Tekken honestly has always been the same with some slight changes, Iand I just like MK's overall "package" I'm the fan about everything and not just one aspect whether it's storyline, characters or gameplay. I mean hey I understand that Tekken is strickly about "gameplay" for the most part over the years and nothing else but hey given the fact that it has nothing else going for it other then gameplay I can see and understand why the fans would be satisfied with little change over the years.


Boon does test his games, like I said before ever play MK2, UMk3 or MK:SM? They're not perfect but very playable and fun. The problem is of late the short timeline Midway gives the team and the fact that they have different testers now then back then, but still I can say the same about your post on "not posting something you know little about" when neither of us have played Mk8 yet......I would hope some Epic/UR guys got in on this game with the testing besides just Midway. We can only wait and see though

Tekken 5 and Tekken 5: DR (which are practically the same game with minor changes to certain characters to balance out the overall gameplay) are much more different than MK:D and MK:A. If you want to challenge me to a debate, go right ahead and I will prove you wrong. The fact is that Tekken does change its gameplay elements; the problem is that many people will never notice them unless they play the series competitively.

MK:2 and UMK:3 have been created approximately a decade ago. The recent 3D Mortal Kombat games (MK:4, MK:DA, MK:D and MK:A) have been pathetic gameplay-wise: full of infinite combos and 50/50 mix ups.

Thus, it is for reasonable and clear-thinking people to assume that the next MK game will be atrocious as well if it is not tested properly.

Besides, can you tell me some specific changes that MK Vs. DC will have? Will we have throw escapes? Will we have a better wake up game? Will we have the game tested properly? These are the questions that I want Boon to answer. I could not careless about DC characters.

What really irks me is that fact that alot of the defenders are assuming that the ones that are complaining about the game havent played MK in the past and haven't heard all of the false promises before. Dude I played many matches online and offline for MKD and MKA and have played EVERY Mk game before that, so I know a little about MK. Every time a new MK game is revealed we get false hopes thinking "oh this will be better than last time" but since MKDA the games have gotten worse from a gameplay standpoint. MKD had so many infinetes that it was basically a pre-match requirement to agree to a "no-infinates" match! How ridiculous is that? Then MKA came along and some of the issues from MKD were fixed but new ones arose with the air combos and KAF, and loops were just as prevalent as in MKD! This is all with an existing engine that they alreadu had experienced working with and they still were unable to fix the issues. Now with MK vs DC it's plain to see that the characters are still moving as stiff as ever, graphics DO NOT look next-gen despite what you are trying to tell yourselves. "But the game hasn't been released yet!" True, but go look at early footage from Deception and MKA and tell me how much changed from that early footage till the release? Not much that's for damn sure.

Big MK fan here, but first thing i though when i was the trailer was "Is this for Ps2?" the graphics might look a bit better but the animations look just like the old ones.

And Tekken is the closes thing to a real martial arts game out there, most of there charecters animation are life like to the real martial art style.

To quite the contrary, the animation does look better (download it and slow it down, you can see everything is there in the trailer).

However, as others have stated. Gameplay still looks really stiff, heavy, and clunky. Just like the old games perform.

"If SC3 was bad MK D, MKA were complete and utter shit. Im sorry but the it does not look like they are using the Unreal engine. I was expecting Gears of War or Unreal Tournament type graphics but it just looks like a cleaned up MKA."

Rofl, and you call yourself a gamer. Everyone knows that only Epic can get games to look like that through their Unreal Engine. Anyone who says they are looking for UT3 and GoW2 graphics are forgetting this, Ever wonder how Gears of War looks better despite it coming out 2 years before Halo 3? Not to mention the majority of the games on the 360 and PS3, it's because Epic Games knows how to utilize THEIR Engine.

I just downlaoded the HD 720 trailer and the graphics look a bit more cleaned up, but the anaimations are almost laugh out loud corney. They look like stiff action figures from a episode of robot chicken. There ya go, maybe this is a Seth Green joke. I like Seth Green. i been trying to get him to sign my petiton in my signature but he never checks his myspace.

Yeah, I've been playing MK since the first one came out in arcades. I have owned every MK game (MK1, MK2, MK3, UMK3, MKT, MK:MSZ, MK4, MKG, MK:DA, MK:SM, MK:D, MK:A) except for Special Forces.

That said, I also own and play alot of other fighting games including the DOA series, the Tekken series, the VF series and the SC series. So while I'm a diehard fan of MK, and the first two games are 1 and 2 on my all time favorite games list, anyone who looks at the trailer for MK vs DC and doesn't at least get a little worried is completely diluted by fanboyism.

Honestly, I feel bad for some of you out there with higher expectations. Since I've been playing MK games for as long as I have been, I know what it's like to fall for Ed Boon's promises for awesome new gameplay features, outstanding graphics and innovation etc.

What we keep ending up with is a broken fighting system with some superflous add on like air kombat or death traps or whatever. It seems like now we have klose kombat and free fall kombat or whatever it's called. Really? Those look good to you guys? I mean, are you that hard headed that you can't at least admit to yourself that you expected more and got less?

I was in denial about MK:D and MK:A, but no more. I'm sick of trying to convince myself that it's okay that my all time favorite series is "adequate" while most hardcore fighting game fans consider the last few MK's to be complete jokes when compared to SC, VF etc.

Yes, I'll wait to see what the final fighting engine plays like, but so far the animations looked very similar to the past. I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if each character had one fighting style, but that alot of the animations from fighting styles in the past few MK games show up on the DC characters and the MK characters they bring back.

That's okay though, because we'll probably have a MK vs DC mini golf mini game that's supposed to make up for the fact that the gameplay sucks. Yeah, I'm negative about this game, experience tells me that what the unimpressive (not hideous, but not impressive) trailer has shown me is that Ed still refuses to learn his lesson and put gameplay before gimmicks.

I completely agree. If more people thought like you, Mortal Kombat would be a much, much better series.

Besides, can anyone explain to me what "klose kombat" and "free fall kombat" is? It sounds like a gimmick to me and an excuse to avoid confronting the real issues regarding the bad gameplay.

Baraka407 is the man! i totaly agree with you. We all expected alot more. We wanted something ground breaking, and all we get is a tried idea with gimmicks to replace the old MK gimmicks. I been waitng for this game sooo long and this is the "Brand NEW" MK Ed Boon promised? More Like MK Greatest hits.. oh wait, MK: A was like that too, maybe Ed Boon is freash out of ideas. And Maybe all you fan boys deserve this game. Yes, thats it. He is making this game for all of you, the people who do nothing but worship mr. ed "i havn't done anything work talking about since 1992" boon. Don;t sign my petition in my signature, i hope they make this game and you all buy it, lOL, FOOLS!

I honestly think Boon is putting quality over quantity. If he wanted to fuck around and sell 5 million copies he'd put in 40 characters and the gamepmay will be shit. But this time he he trying to be totally serious for this gen and make a fighter, not a bunch of miniganss with a fighter attached to it. He's putting 20-22 and making the gameplay good. What's everobes problem with Klose Kombat? What have people heard about it that I havent?

Explain to me what it is. I am really curious what it is.

I don't know, my guess is no more staying back shooting projectiles like DA-D. Seems like itll be straight up fighting. But people keep getting mad about klose kombat and the falling kombat. But have novfuhking idea how either plays out or really looks. No one knows if the combatvis stiff either. They show 4 fuckin cuts of a kick, punch, a knee and I think another punch. They didnt show any more than a blink of combat for a reason

1. Fight Night Round 3

2. God of War 2 : Kratos' fight with Icarus over his wings /EDIT: / "Super hero Movie Choreography". Go re-watch Spiderman 3, X-Men, Superman Returns, or Batman Begins...

And yea, it's a part of the gimmick, as history has taught us.

That is what I mean, though. No one knows. Why aren't the real issues being addressed by Boon? For example, throw escapes, better wake up game, better parry system, etc. ?

And... this has to do with what exactly? MK Vs. DC is supposed to be a fighting game. It needs to fix its prior problems that have plagued the series for years now. You know, such things as throw escapes and a proper frame advantage/disadvantage ratio for its moves?

Have most of you even played MK:DA / MK:D / MK:A aside from unlocking the games' features? The glitches in the games are easily exploited and abundant. I can end the whole fight by just grabbing you or launching you in the air.

Since he has a close combat system, I think the gameplay will have what you mentioned. It won't be just punching and kicking happening. If someone trys to throw you I bet you can counter it with a lock of a take down. Perrys would be cool like jumping back if someone is attacking or moving left and right like the fight nights. But less boxing like and more Kung fu like. Quick and smooth. Boon will mention more when the time is right. I give it a few weeks to a few months before they talk about fighting and gameplay. They'll mention characters before then. Its not like other MKs where they want to keep seceret or hush hush returning characters on the DL. This time go one is a secret, everyone is well known.

When discussing consoles/games, why must you act like a fucking jerk.

You haven't played a single PS3 game, and yet you're so quick to dismiss it. Maybe you should do some homework.

Sony's one of the biggest companies in the movie business. You honestly think Microsoft can beat Sony in delivering HD movies/programs?

How did Bluray do against HD-DVD?

As an owner of all 3 consoles this gen (though the Wii is for my youngest brother, yet he doesn't even bother with it), I must say these console wars are hilarious. I just can't tolerate ignorance.

How is the Xbox360 doing outside of the United States? If PS3's were sitting on the shelves, there wouldn't be roughly 6 million units to go before they catch up the Microsoft who had a whole year head start and came out with a cheaper console.

If you're gonna go on an ignorant rant about how a console sucks, just don't bother.

I meant to say they are 6 million (roughly) units behind Microsoft in the United States, and for a long time the PS3 was over 100 dollars more expensive.

But outside of the States, the PS3 is selling better.

Typical, people think of the United States as the territory where these companies need to win and everything else doesn't matter, even though Europe have been the deciding factor for the most part (and Japan to a point).

I will probably get this game for both the PS3 and Xbox360, just because I want to play against friends on both friend's list. But since I already had a Xbox360 die on me (RROD FTL), I will probably pick up the Xbox360 version after it's come down in price, so I won't feel bad once the console dies on me again.

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And isn't it so nice that Ed has gone out of his way to let you guys there will be blood in this game?

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I wonder when we'll see another one hinting at fatalities.

Well, it has to do with the question you asked....umm

1. Since it looks similar, and Boon acknowledges that mechanically, it behaves at least similar to a "boxing type mode", the link I posted is a good reference for understanding what exactly they just put in the game.

Boon says, that you "Pull your opponent in", and a different mechanism initiates with it's own set of options..ect. I'm saying, that this "mode" that we'd be going into, has a strong influence from Fight Night games' system. Cuz it's what theirs is based on. "Close Up" , "Camera Zooms in", "Alot of offensive and defensive options in the close quarters"..ect That IS Fight Night's mechanics. That's the Fight Night games' appeal.

That looks // sounds exactly like what the Fight Night games have been doing, except "the mask", if you will, has hidden this fact because MK vs DC looks to have kicks and punches, and throws..ect.


Those games are really good actually, but the "gimmick" comes in based on the popularity of their "Fighting Game" approval from their fans..."Alot people like those games, and it's a fighting game too....technically, So why not try something like that out in MK vs DC and see how MK fans like it."

Gimmick. Just doing it to bring in more fans, with a different taste for fighting games.

We'll see if it works good or bad though.

2. Kratos' fight with Icarus was and interesting fighting mechanic to play through, which is why I think they even thought about putting it in MK vs DC.

The only real difference it seems to have from the Kratos//Icarus fight, is that there are no visual aids to help you know what to do next. MK vs DC looks to give us a little more control than GoWar2 did with that fight....that was "Falling while in Combat".

Same concept essentially. I think this one is just as much a gimmick as the other ploy. But moreso for this one, just because it was an interesting way to take a fight. It looks to be "just another distraction from the actual gameplay"....

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On the "Super Hero Choreography" thing, think of the Spiderman vs Venom fight at the end of Spiderman 3(2:15 into the vid), movie where they're "Falling from a building, while fighting". It's something extremely common in Superhero movies. Batman does it, Superman does it, the X-Men do it in their movies.

I think this feature ended up making sense to have in the game with the "Superheros" in it. It's a cinematography attribute of Comic book//superhero movies.

As far as the mechanism itself, and the functionality well, again, we gotta wait and see. But also, that's a "gimmick".

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I agree, MK does need to correct it's fighting engine habits of the past.....And I'm 26yrs old, an image editor and amature animator...Of course noticed all the shit that was wrong with the last three games. *points to links in sig*

At the same time, this is totally different engine, "fixing" old problems is pretty much obsolete right now. I just hope they rigorously test this game, and eliminate the possibility of similar problems translating over to the new engine....

Essentially because, I mean, it's the same people programming a different thing. Same faults could occur as a result if they're not careful...or if they just don't understand what problems we're having and are un-able to do something about them. Perception or Education.

Not to challenge their competence, however.

Atleast for these games the animation is up to par, graphics is good and gameplay seems sensible to be used here.. How is this going to work for MK vs DC? It seems lame to have free fall for a short and fast 'free fall' while unlike GOW2. Klose kombat seems like a fix for 'projectile fight' in 3d environment.

Yep...that's what'll get me to rent it, right there.