I agree. Soul Calibur 4, Tekken 6, and Street Fighter IV will probably own MK Vs. DC both graphically and gameplay-wise.

Why are people bitching about the graphics? They look alright at the moment, and the game is STILL IN PRODUCTION. I'm sure they are not done polishing it yet, and the graphics could end up even better.

I think the same about the crow...

No. The game has been "IN PRODUCTION" for a whole year and a half, and if it cannot produce at least 15 seconds of "polished" graphics, then this is as good as it gets.

And as for the gameplay, it looks stiffer and worse than MKA, the characters have become bigger and more awkward.

Midway has hit a lag, it is going nowhere. Take a look at it's other games and their graphics and gameplay.

NBA Ballers The Chosen One: the gameplay hasn't changed in 5 years, neither has it's graphics. Actually, the graphics seem to have gotten worse.

and that goes for every other Midway game coming out this year.

It's all getting worse.

Honestly, I just want to put the MK franchise out of it's misery at this point.

Fuck MK VS. DC. And Fuck anyone on here who says it could be cool, stop compromising your expectations, Sure it's an "innovative idea," so is fucking donkeys in Tijuana. All signs point that the gameplay and graphics ARE shitty. It seems to have only gotten worse. Midway is half ass as shit and has fucked up again. And you all know it.

I haven't read all the way through this thread, so I don't know if this was addressed or not... but you have got to be nuts if you think ANY games today use 500,000,000 polygons for a single character model. To be honest, I'd guess that figure is higher than the amount of polygons total that might be in an ENTIRE GAME, including every unique character model, every level, every single piece of real-time 3D art that was created for it.

For more realistic figures, look at this: http://nsider2.com/forums/Polygon-Count-list-t165375.html

Gears of War, Xbox 360, 2006
Wretch - 10,000 polygons with diffuse, specular and normal maps
Boomer - 11,000 polygons with diffuse, specular and normal maps
Marcus - 15,000 polygons with diffuse, specular and normal maps

Lost planet, X360/PC, 2007
Wayne - 12392 polygons (but finally 17765 polygons for compatibility with motion blur effect)
VS robot - 30-40K polygons
Background - ~500K polygons
Peak number of polygons per frame - ~ 3 million**

And it should also be noted that MK vs DC is being designed to run at a smooth 60 frames per second, which I've heard is a first for a game using Unreal Engine 3. I believe Gears of War barely made it to 30, but don't quote me on that. Just guessing based on what I see when playing the game...

Another thought about the 500,000,000 polygons per second quote... I don't know what exactly that statistic is supposed to mean, but it sounds to me like they're saying the 360 can render 500 million polygons in one second. That means, if they put 500 million polygons into the screen at once, the game would play at 1 frame per second. Divide that by 60 (for 60fps) and you get around 8.3 million for an entire scene -- and that's not including any kind of shader effects, particles, bump/normal/specular maps.... so 8.3 million polygons on screen at one time would still probably be way too much.

But again, I didn't read the whole thread... so sorry if I'm repeating anything.

?!?

What can they do in the final 7 months of production? Re-format the script for the UnReal3 Engine to get better graphics?

lmao!

It takes Quite a while to write one portion of the engine. Few weeks per "mini program" maybe...And then, you have to program all the little programs, to work well with the graphics programming. Then, you gotta make it all move at 60fps....And THEN, trouble shoot and fix anything that's obviously sticking out as incorrect programming.

"Alright" for a next gen MK is unacceptable. ESPECIALLY considering the competitors FIRST teaser trailers, look so much better than ours.

I'm surprised, and disappointed at the same time that MK didn't dwarf the competition here...They at least do a decent job of distracting us from the Competition usually.

It looks like an updated MKA game play teaser (just barely). Graphically, anyway.

Come to terms with the fact that it's not going to change. Matter of fact, the last thing graphically that I'm waiting for, is HD. I'll wait to judge if that makes a difference....But right now it doesn't look like it.

the should do 500,000,000 polygons 4 fighter not 20 000.And it does look like MK:A.

its a trailer

chances are, thats not even actual gameplay. sub had scorpions deception voice.

All the voice acting is done by Carlos Pesina in that trailer. Watch an old behind the scenes vid of MK.

That kind of stuff I expect will change, as well as the game-play habits in that vid. All that takes is a studio session to record different peoples sound bites...

But the mechanics and animation? No, won't change. Those are the apparent selling points. "Klose Kombat" and "Falling Kombat" + Traditional Kombat.

I really hope this works.

The characters looked damn good(I hope thats not batmans only outfit tho), but the surrounding graphics need to be refined a bit more.

i dont know where you're from, but every game teaser i've ever seen has resembled the game pretty damn good.

i didnt judge the game, i said the graphics are shitty and i stand by it.

thank you to the few people here who are real enough to see this, it looks just like the old games.

like someone said before, compare tekken 6 trailer to this... THAT's next gen. the MK DC trailer looks good.. but it didnt shock me like most of the new shit that comes out, so in my opinion, that means that graphics aren't good.

so what if they add a little shitty grapple move to it? it moves stiff as fuck.

Graphics will improve, they're still tweaking the UEIII. For one, Subzero has given up on steroids, the character models don't have jagged edges, and the character design looks good.

Have you seen or played games made specifically for the PS3? Uncharted is the best looking game right now on consoles. So save your little console wars crap for you and your friends who don't know any better.

And multiplatform games never show the potential of any console. 3rd party developers still understand the Xbox360 more than the PS3, yet 1st party and 2nd party developers are showing what the PS3 can really do in terms of polygons, texture detail, and gameplay. On top of huge worlds.

And if you didn't know this, Sony are a big company in the movie business. If anything, when they finally implement HD Movie downloads, it will be Microsoft playing catch up, not the other way around.

That being said, I think MK8 has the POTENTIAL for being a great fighter. We haven't seen enough, and what we did see was early footage. They have til Fall to improve the graphics, the animations, the facial expressions, etc...

Heck, by the time we get to see the game being played come July, they might have agreed to make it a Rated M gamee.

It's still WAY too early to judge it. Fans need to calm down a bit.

One thing I would like to know:

Since when did everyone become an unreal engine expert?

That's what I'd like to know also.


Come on people. From that trailer, can you honestly tell me that the trailer footage is UE3 material? If you wanna tell me that as of April 20, that's what the finished product of what an UE3 product will end up like in the fall, then good for you.

This is why I'm not putting too much stock in the trailer. I think the footage is meant more towards what's upcoming and a preview of the new klose kombat and free-fall kombat, as opposed to what the graphics look like or what the actual fighting looks like.

I've said this to many people... MK8 is sort of the last straw for me personally. They're wiping the slate clean, building everything from the ground up again, so yet another shot at getting things right and hopefully leading to at least a decent fighting engine. If this somehow turns out well, great. If I get the similar crap gameplay mechanics with tons of glitches and clunkiness, then I'm unfortunately done with MK. I'll be a casual fan of it, but not as great of a fan as I was, say 10 years ago.

Wrong Question.

How many people on earth program things everyday? - Would be a more correct question to ask.

And if I start with this thread...we have ME, You............

AND, we are a gaming, picture manipulating, animation creating community...It's not hard to imagine that a gaming community know a few things about how to make a game work.

And besides, MK is a game with a bunch of secret codes and all that in it...The interest has always been there for fans to find out what our creators are doing to make the games.

Oh yea...then there's always GOOGLE..lol You can "find out anything on the net.
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EDIT: I forgot to mention that some of us have interest in schooling, or already are in school USING the same software they are to make games like they do.

I'm not, there's no market for developing in my area, but I know a thing or two regardless, as a consequence of my interest in programming, game programming and design....

i know the unreal engine fairly well...well, the ut04 engine anyway.

What does it even matter what it looks like with gaming technology having reached the universally 'pretty decent' stage that it has at this point? The greatest graphics of any game ever aren't what's going to prevent this game gathering dust on your shelf or being used as a beer coaster after two weeks. Besides, good art can render shit graphics more or less irrelevant anyway in delivering a nice atmosphere, and artwork/character/stage design is practically the only area Midway excels at. So, why worry? The thread title is "bad graphics, shitty gameplay," and we're sitting here discussing the graphical capabilities of the unreal engine; I suggest people start being more concerned with the second half of the thread title.

that's what my complaint was.

it looks stiff.

watch the trailer when they go through the wall... it looks slightly funny, i'm sorry. i could picture a "wam! bam!" batman thing poppin' up.

of course someones gonna say "its the trailer, its like 12% done omg!" i dont care.

like i said, look at tekkens old ass trailer from last year with jin... COME ON.. that's next gen!

i dont need to be a programmer to know what the hell i'm lookin' at. i've played new games, ive played shitty games and it dont take an expert to compare the MK pics to gears of war and see a quality difference.

That Jin trailer is from 2005.

Those weren't in-game assets or in-game graphics, for that matter.

I hope you've seen the game since then, in real time. Although it has improved greatly from it's premiere in-game showing.

You also need to understand that different companies focus on different aspects of the game at different points in their development.

Some companies focus on polishing up the graphics engine the last few months of development before the game is finished and finally shipped. Other companies might focus on the fighting mechanics, the physics, animations, etc... most of development time, and then tweak the graphics engine throughout the entire process.

Gears of War was made by Epics, the company who created the Unreal Engine(s). Midway (more specifically the MK devs) don't have a better understanding of that engine than the creators of it. But i'm quite confident that they'll have a very good looking game by the time it's shown off @ e3 in a few months.

One's a 3rd person shooter, the other's a fighting game. That's also another reason to stop comparing them.

Boon said he wanted his game to have a similar look to Gears of War. He didn't say he was going to make a fighting game look exactly like Gears of War. Mortal Kombat 8 is gonna actually have some colors (lol). So that's already a major difference.

Graphics look pretty good, I'm just a bit dissapointed that they havent implemements facial animations yet. Makes batman seem very robotic, and yeah....I have concerns about Klost Kombat, but freefall looks badass.

They need to use digitized actors again. Except in HD. w007!

YEAH!! EXACTLY!!! And in 3d gameplay... And that would be innovative and different than all the polygon 3d games out there.

It's not BS, Xbox is FACTUALLY better then PS2 anyone who believes otherewise doesn't know what they're talking about....

It's not BS facts when I've posted shit to back it up, PS is garbage online sorry if that hurts anyones Sony pride but that's the truth.


@dave, I doubt that about the gameplay. We don't know yet how MK8, SC4, SF4 or Tekken 6 will play. This game isn't going to have dial up combos apparently this time around and SC 3 was crap all together. Tekken is the same game over and over with some slightly new elements....and VF is fun overall but online sucks with the lack of character options.

They will all have their ups and downs like always...

It's just a matter of which you prefer and which you're a fan of, and lets face it...we are all a fan of one of them.



I'd rather play DOA4 over SC, Tekken or VF honestly.

@King$ lol well that's funny dude because a lot of fans love the new look and think the graphics are sick, as I do and they don't look anything like MKA. The "style" looks the same but that's just MK isk for ya, a nobrainer...

And I'm just happy the actual logical fans realize that the game is far from done...and the graphics in that teaser could have been made a month+ ago for all we know...enough said.



Actually, they do know better and so do I. You mean have I played or seen any actual good games for PS3? Nope. That's why your pathetic PS3 is decorating the shelves at Best Buy while Wii's and 360's are hardly on the shelf or sold out flat out....graphics=not everything, yes, yes I'm well aware that Sony makes lots of merchandise and has lots of games...well so is GM and are they the best car maker in the world? Not really, they do have lots of good cars but the Japanese are this close to leading them worldwide and overall make cheaper cars that are better in some cases...

Sony is still dead last, the last time I checked so I'd say it's Sony that has the catching up to do....LOTS of it at that. Sorry, but Sony ain't winning shit this time around in the console wars.

DOA4 is way better then SC, Tekken, and even VF. PS2 is better then xbox, but not online, we know xbox is better then PS2 for online play, but PS2 has more games then the xbox. Xbox 360 is way damn better then the PS3, and PS3 is shit now, and will probally remain that way lol. Only exclusive games I look forward to on the PS3 is Haze, and Killzone 2.