Can everybody just chill out. The game hasn't came out yet. You are dissing the game right now but you still are going to buy it. When you play the game you wil probably have a totally different opinion about it. Yes the Universal Combo Breakers suck, but hey are going to let one wrong tweak in the gameplay stop you from buying the game. If the gameplay sucks when you buy it then complain so the developers will do a better job on the next one. That's My 2 cents

You know guys, I remember playing video games for the sake of playing video games. I remember back when I didn't know or care about who was top tier or even whether or not I knew how to do anything higher than a three hit combo. Back when I used to play Street Fighter Alpha 3, or Mortal Kombat 3, just for the sake of playing them.

Then I grew up.

The day I actually thought about how I could inflict more damage onto my enemy without putting myself at a greater risk. That was when I was playing Street Fighter 3 for the first time, when just using the fierce kicks and punches along with the occasional super move didn't work anymore. I had to learn how to parry, I had to learn how to poke, I had to learn how to escape from a throw...

I took that experience and put it to every fighting game since then. Seeing just how far I could push the envelope. I never want to be some big tourny fighter, I just want to see how awesome I could make my character be through my own skill.

I loved Deadly Alliance when it came out, I thought it was great!

...Then slowly, as I played more and more I realized that I couldn't do much at all. I didn't have the freedom to do my own combos, I couldn't have fun with the juggle system seeing as the only variation I could do was a different pop-up move and a different finisher. My projectiles were all but useless against anybody with half a brain, all they had to do is sidestep.

I had true hopes that Deception would be improved over Deadly Alliance. Even after seeing all the videos and everything I still held onto the belief that the MK Team, a team which I had respected ever since MK1, would look at the mistakes.

Then I hear it straight from Ed Boon's mouth that the fighting engine was primarily untouched.

I really said "Fuck!" when I heard that. MK, a series I had been loving ever since the fourth grade, has finally done it. Everything I had been hopeful for, all the great characters that are coming back for this game just seem so insignificant compared to the fact that I just don't want to play the fighting game anymore.

Listen to those words. I am buying a fighting game to not play a fighting game. Why? Because I'm an MK fan, and I'll always be one.

I just feel like my best friend just fucking sucker punched me in the nads.

"Go play your Tekkens and Virtua Fighters if you don't want to play MK!"

You people don't understand, we don't want to play those games! We want to play MORTAL KOMBAT! The MK Team however is giving us no choice, they are practically forcing us to play other fighting games. There's nothing left for us here anymore. The fight is dead in MK now. All that's left is the story and the gore.

Funny how the only thing that drew me to MK in the first place is the only thing keeping me around.

People like Satyagraha, Wanderer, TonyTheTiger, they're not people you should be angry at. They're not betrayers to MK. MK is the betrayer to them.

They had the chance to improve MKDA's engine but they implemented something that would make it even more lazy and crappy. I not even sure the MKteam is capable of creating a solid fighting engine.

I'll buy MKD from everything outside of gameplay.

JAX007 Wrote: They had the chance to improve MKDA's engine but they implemented something that would make it even more lazy and crappy. I not even sure the MKteam is capable of creating a solid fighting engine. I'll buy MKD from everything outside of gameplay.

Or maybe not capable of making a solid 3D fighting engine, I remember they used to make good 2D games back in the day, the whole 3D thing is a different thing altogether.

this thread should be closed, it's turning into the US election for christ sake. He said this but didnt do that, but they did this but said that. I think the bottom line is, if MK isnt your favorite fighter, theres a 99.9% chance yer gonna hate it, because the fighting will never ever be deep and it really never was. It is unfortunate that the gameplay will never be as deep as SF3S, VF4 or SC, but there always gonna be people who love or hate the game regardless, streching a thread with 200 replies about who is right and wrong wont change those oppinions in the end. Its kinda sad to see people jumping at the chance to flame someone over a difference of oppinion. There are certain members who never lower themselves to this level and they will be the ones that stay respected. im out of this debate.

-smaddy

The biggest laugh to me is every single person bitching about the gameplay says they're still going to buy the game. High sales are only going to make them lazier about the gameplay. Afterall, it's still primarily a fighting game, why would they buy it if they don't like the fighting? If you really want to send a statement, DON'T BUY THE GAME!

In the short time I've been here, I can tell you right now there will never be an intelligent debate about gameplay on this board. The people presenting actual points about the flaws in the gameplay are right. The gameplay does have its flaws. But its when elitist trolls come in here and start throwing lame internet jargon around like "scrub" and "noob" that your points are hurt because the diehard MK fans will lump you all into one big group against them. There are a lot of you who dislike the engine who have made incredibly good points and are absolutely right, but that doesn't mean the game can't be fun. You know, talking about tournaments and all that bullshit, the people who participate in tournies represent a fraction of a percent of the video gaming community. I work for a living, I have a career, I don't have time to go to some video game tournament. I hate people, I play games for myself and a select few of my friends.

So bash me all you want for liking the flawed game and call me a scrub, I don't give a fuck. The bottom line is, I know how to have fun and don't make a fucking video game a life or death situation. Nor do I try to come on the internet and act like I'm hot shit because I know how to type the word "scrub."

And the diehard MK fans, lighten up a damn bit. They don't like MK, that doesn't mean that you have to claim Soul Calibur, Tekken, and Virtua Fighter suck. SC, Tekken, VF, and MK all sell incredibly well, you know why? Each of them offer a different experience. SC gives you the deepest 3D fighting engine out there. VF is for hardcore fighters, especially VF4Evo where you can build and customize your own character. Tekken is if you want something not as deep as VF or SC, but still want a very strong fighting engine. MK is for casual gamers who aren't necessarily as good or want to get into something so deep. And while the fighting engine may not be as good, it's not unplayable, and superficial things make up for it. Yes that's shallow, but that's the beauty of it. Video games are a form of art, no doubt: some people like Picasso, some people like the Sunday Comics. MK is the Sunday Comics, it's still art, but just for those who don't have the time, can't, or don't want to go to the museum. My God that is the best analogy I have ever made.

There are people (like me) who can enjoy them all. You wanna know every fighting game I own on the next generation consoles? Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance, Tekken 4, Soul Calibur 2, and Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution. And you know what? I like every one of them. I do play MKDA the most though, because I have an attachment to MK that Tekken, SC, and VF just don't give me. They don't have the soul of an MK game in my opinion, but hey that's just me. But don't be an elitist, can you imagine saying half the shit some of you just said without the anonymity of the internet? Try talking about this stuff and public and people will laugh at you because you sound incredibly lame. There's more to life than Mortal Kombat Deception's fighting engine. Chill out, let the lovers love, let the haters hate. But there's no need to start personally attacking people because they don't like the same video games as you, that's absolutely childish. You might as well be fighting over Pokemon Cards.

I realize people take their video gaming seriously, and really there's nothing wrong with that. It's a fun hobby, but people can take it TOO seriously. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean everyone else has to dislike it, that's fascism. If you personally feel that as a fighting game fan you have to improve MK's fighting engine, don't buy the games. That's what wrestling game fans did to THQ when they made false promises about their WWE titles on the Gamecube, and now they're being forced to improve them (incredibly minor, but still improving). Same thing with the Smackdown series after the disappointing Smackdown 3, people stopped buying them, and they were forced to improve for the sequels. Boon has made tweaks to the engine, it's slight improvement, but it's still improvement. You just have to chip away where it counts, his wallet. If the game is that offensive to your fighting game prowess, hit them where it hurts, don't buy MKD.

The internet is a wonderful place where people can come together and share opinions and pornography, but it gets out of hand during petty shit like this.

smaddy Wrote: this thread should be closed, it's turning into the US election for christ sake. He said this but didnt do that, but they did this but said that. I think the bottom line is, if MK isnt your favorite fighter, theres a 99.9% chance yer gonna hate it, because the fighting will never ever be deep and it really never was. It is unfortunate that the gameplay will never be as deep as SF3S, VF4 or SC, but there always gonna be people who love or hate the game regardless, streching a thread with 200 replies about who is right and wrong wont change those oppinions in the end. Its kinda sad to see people jumping at the chance to flame someone over a difference of oppinion. There are certain members who never lower themselves to this level and they will be the ones that stay respected. im out of this debate. -smaddy

Bit late for that, the "debate" ended back about 2 pages ago, everything had calmed down and by posting this you're risking starting it again, thanks anyway

Scarecrow, what you just said, all i have to say is wow

yeah very impressive, and there was me thinking your arguements were one sided

now that everyone one is happy this thread should be closed:)

FLSTYLE Wrote: yeah very impressive, and there was me thinking your arguements were one sided

My thoughts are one sided (they are my thoughts afterall ) But I try to keep my arguments fair. I came to this forum to learn about MKD, because I just started getting back into DA and I'm all hyped up. I hate seeing all this go on, it's just depressing. Both sides are at fault and we should just move on from this argument. There's no changing the gameplay now, it's disappointing for some, not for others. If you're upset, let your voice be known by not buying the game. Then they'll be forced to improve for MK7.

scarecrow Wrote: FLSTYLE Wrote: yeah very impressive, and there was me thinking your arguements were one sided My thoughts are one sided (they are my thoughts afterall ) But I try to keep my arguments fair. I came to this forum to learn about MKD, because I just started getting back into DA and I'm all hyped up. I hate seeing all this go on, it's just depressing. Both sides are at fault and we should just move on from this argument. There's no changing the gameplay now, it's disappointing for some, not for others. If you're upset, let your voice be known by not buying the game. Then they'll be forced to improve for MK7.

I'm sure me buying it won't force Boon+Co to make any drastic changes to MK and I'm diffinately buying Deception because for all thats been said in this thread I'm a big fan of the story and characters since MK1, I'll always buy the MK's when they are released, a guess I'm a bigger fan of MK than I am of games with great gameplay

!!!!!!!!EDIT!!!!!!!!! this came out wrong I meant to say I'm a bigger fan of MK than I have a need for good gameplay, I generally enjoy games with good gameplay more than other aspects of a fighting game,


I always take part in the story character discussions whenever I can, it seems the only discussions that stand out are these ones.

or present your comments more maturely

btw pro meant someone with experience, as in owning the gamefor a year or so, while it was my first time playing it.

and there are tons of fun things u can do in MKDA

just check out the MKDA forum.

thank you, goodbye again, i came to add my 2 cents in this argument that became a flame war.

i think if wanderer chose a better thread title and chose his words better, this thread would have showed some promise.

Not buying something as a form of protest can work but unfortunately it can also backfire. Take the new Capcom 2D fighter coming out. Capcom Fighter Jam. It's same six year old sprites mishmashed together in what may in fact be a recycled engine. Ok. So if people don't like that Capcom is being lazy then they can not buy the game to send a message to Capcom. Of course the message Capcom will get is drastically different. If sales of CFJ are low then they'll interpret it as 2D is dead and stop making 2D fighters. I don't know if something like that will happen if MK sales drop but who knows.

mister_satan666 Wrote: or present your comments more maturely btw pro meant someone with experience, as in owning the gamefor a year or so, while it was my first time playing it. and there are tons of fun things u can do in MKDA just check out the MKDA forum. thank you, goodbye again, i came to add my 2 cents in this argument that became a flame war. i think if wanderer chose a better thread title and chose his words better, this thread would have showed some promise.

no way this thread is useless
hey Wanderer then don't buy mk deception if you have so much complains about it.
but please let THE MK FANS out it,will ya!!!

this thread is`100% pure shit
tthat gy who wrote that dont likes uncouterable jugles
but about those vreakers for the third time
WHY NOT AN ON/OFF BUTTON FOR IT????
maybe for the jugle system too an on/off button see MKfighters
dont be scared ty fully working on the new things :)

FLSTYLE Wrote: JAX007 Wrote: They had the chance to improve MKDA's engine but they implemented something that would make it even more lazy and crappy. I not even sure the MKteam is capable of creating a solid fighting engine. I'll buy MKD from everything outside of gameplay. Or maybe not capable of making a solid 3D fighting engine, I remember they used to make good 2D games back in the day, the whole 3D thing is a different thing altogether.

I notice that many of you are indicating that the 2D MK's were better gameplay wise than MKDA. In my opinion I don't think they were, infact they were pretty shallow. Those games had no poking, no buffering, no mind games or move properties. All of the basic moves with the exception of sweeps and uppercuts were completely usless. Turn the old games on and play for a while and see for yourself. Not only that but every character had the same basic set of moves and the only reason for using them was for the different speacial moves. That was whack but the novelty was entertaining.

Granted, MKDA didn't have any move properties either with the exception of a few characters but it was a step in the right direction. For the first time the characters actually played differently and not just because of special moves. I hope you guys don't honestly think that the breaker move in MKD can be implemented at any time durring a combo. At E3 when I spoke to Paolo Garcia from Midways MK team he KNEW that it would be cheesy if it were to be like the way you guys are making it out to be.

The breaker will require precision and most likely can only be used at the point of style change durring a branch combo. The branch combo was what Boon was really concerned about when I overheard him talking to another show-goer. Then I asked him about it and he stated that he recieved so many complaints about the high damage of the branch combos so someone on the team wanted to implement the breaker durrig style transition. You will have to know the combo to break it.

The guys who are making the gameplay additions are actully avid Cvs2 fans and play it quite a bit so they know what should be in there. They have added a counter hit in the game and if you noticed it the video if two opponents are striking at the same time the move with more priority wins out causing a red "hit spark". Paolo even admitted that they knew the first game was not complete and were pissed that they had to rush it out the door thanks to management at Midway.

At this point it all boils dow to how much time they have to implement everything and I believe that MKD will be a better experience than MKDA. It will not however be the next "Street Fighter" in terms of game play but its another step in the right direction. Take care.

deadlyfatality Wrote: WHY NOT AN ON/OFF BUTTON FOR IT????

as far as I know it's not possible to make such changes to a fighting engine like that, you can with the arenas like turning stage fatalities on and off but I think it would be too complex to be able to make such be changes to the games main engine.

mastermalone Wrote: I notice that many of you are indicating that the 2D MK's were better gameplay wise than MKDA. In my opinion I don't think they were, infact they were pretty shallow. Those games had no poking, no buffering, no mind games or move properties. All of the basic moves with the exception of sweeps and uppercuts were completely usless. Turn the old games on and play for a while and see for yourself. Not only that but every character had the same basic set of moves and the only reason for using them was for the different speacial moves. That was whack but the novelty was entertaining.

I think a 2D game can be popular without deep gameplay, or rather it's not as noticable.

You can tell when a 3D game isn't as good gameplay wise, probably because gameplay as more important in a 3D fighter than a 2D fighter.

This thread and the others about the gameplay in Deadly Alliance and Deception and the lack of people saying the same about the 2D MK's are proof enough of that I think.

The main problem here is we are all communicating wrong. There are alot of people that love this game the way it is. And there is alot of people that are upset that more attention did not get paid to the fighting engine. The people that like it should say why they like it and not bash and the people that wanted more from the MK staff and are wanting a deeper fighting engine and not bash. It should be a normal respectful thread with no attacking. People get there pride all caught up in there posts. Then the flames are thrown back and forth. Everyone feel different about this subject its like filling a room up with angery and excited people there is bound to be a fight. I am getting to the point where I don't care anymore. I think I will stick to the normal mondain threads. Laters DSB.

in Soul Calibur to deflect an attack you press toward the character and block. So what the fuck are all these so called purist bitching about ???

jpetrunak Wrote: in Soul Calibur to deflect an attack you press toward the character and block. So what the fuck are all these so called purist bitching about ???

yea wat he said^^ anyway the impact system is the only thing im worried about

dirtystankbutter Wrote: The main problem here is we are all communicating wrong. There are alot of people that love this game the way it is. And there is alot of people that are upset that more attention did not get paid to the fighting engine. The people that like it should say why they like it and not bash and the people that wanted more from the MK staff and are wanting a deeper fighting engine and not bash. It should be a normal respectful thread with no attacking. People get there pride all caught up in there posts. Then the flames are thrown back and forth. Everyone feel different about this subject its like filling a room up with angery and excited people there is bound to be a fight. I am getting to the point where I don't care anymore. I think I will stick to the normal mondain threads. Laters DSB.

Thats what I'm talking about, if someone likes a certain aspect of MK than they can give examples replacing the part where they were going to flame someone. unlike jpetrunak there, that's an example of what people who think fine with how Deception is shouldn't be posting.

Can we not get a few examples of gameplay that you think are strokes of genius people?

I'm happy with the engine and it's special too. It
doesn't play like a wrestling game.