I don't think it's a big surprise. I mean most MK fans only play for the fatalities and secrets and then the game is done for them. Whereas other games with lots of depth have players discussing gameplay topics years after its released. I mean an in-depth guide to playing a character in MK is 1 post. On like Tekken Zaibatsu, they have threads dedicated and filled for every single character at around 5,000 posts each. MK needs a lot of basics to be good.

Oh, I missed that
Still, damn!
I hadn't noticed that difference before now.

Thats why they gave you a grab button!
Lol youre so weak mkf. id beat you 10-0.

You know, around the time Tekken 5 came out, the creator of DOA was criticizing Namco for not bringing Tekken online while he brought DOA online, spouting all this crap about "technological supremacy." Well, if he was smart, he'd look at his own fucking game online. Of course, he wouldn't say anything's wrong with online fighting games. As HDTran said, average ping can fuck up the whole game.
Look at it this way: Say, you're playing Tekken 5 online (if it did have online gameplay, that is), and you do Kazuya's LP, LP, RP on someone. Well, I believe each of those three jabs are 10 frames. So average lag could cause about 9 frames to be skipped. So if this move happens to you online, guess what just happened to you? You just got fucked up literally before you even knew what hit you. (that's the way I saw it explained on Tekken Zaibatsu). And that's not good. I think there needs to be a HUGE minimum connection speed to be able to play fighting games online, for the sake of not fucking up the frame rate with lag. Lag is what causes a lot of online-only infinites in MKD.

Dude, you just totally described Stockton GolfLand before it closed.

...That made so much sense. No...i'm not being sarcastic...that was possibly the most non-idiotic thing i've ever read. The most real. The most obvious. Good fucking job! I give you a standing ovation for not acting like a fucking retard.
The people bitching about the game probably wont even admit it, but despite their bitching, they're probably still going to buy the damn game reguardless. Probably still going to talk shit about it too after it's released and they've played it. But still, going to buy the damn game.
Closet cases or not.
40% of the whiners, are going to get it.
And will probably secretly love it.

Wow, that made sense to you and you're agreeing with him? That's pretty sad. Because basically he said in a nutshell it's perfectly acceptable that they're just going to recycle the same SHITTY engine instead of putting effort into it to make it not suck. Why? Because hey, it's just the last game for this generation of consoles anyway! THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!!!!
Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection is just an update of Tekken 5. Yet they put more effort into that update than the MK team did from MKDA to MKA. It's easily possible for a developer to make a new engine or atleast fix up an existing engine in the span of two years to the point where it's a completely new game. Infact, it happens all the time. But I guess MK is so special and loves you guys so much that it doesn't need to be good. It just needs to be MK. Regardless of how bad it is.
Ah, the things you people say to justify loving MK. I've never seen anything like it. No, I'm not going to buy it BTW.

I stopped bitching about the new MK because im not paying for it.

Bleed, I'm only counting the registered users. It doesn't count guests over here. It's still over 5x the amount of people though LOL.
5x the people that dont have lives and post on the internet 24/7 getting 4,000 visits. i mean comon..paying a buck to play one match? theyre either ritch or stupid..maybe both.
seriously tho...i can see why. the tekken community is far more mature compared to this crowed here at mko. i have always felt mko was kinda a joke community wise. there are other mk sites that are far better then this.
look at its current design..its almost like theyre trying to be like those tekken sites. and a "flawless accont" ? lmao.
they dont do shit to promote it. most mkfans i know have never heard of this site. and the ones i told came here, left, and never came back. cant imagine why....without getting the word out, no ones gonna come. this site got a mention in a gaming mag and places like ign.com and all of a sudden "were the best..were getting press now, sell me your site" shit started, and mko shived their head right up their own ass. thats why people dont come here.
the most people ive ever seen on here was just above 100 during the mkda fight night chat....and that lasted about 5 min, lmao. the reason the number is so low right now (28 at the moment) is becasue the other 28 that makes up the reg users are all in school.:P

I think the problem is how can you be a hardcore MK game player? A few have answered it by finding glitches. Otherwise the game lacks so many basics that you cannot discuss anything at length. I mean for other fighters, we have people slaving over one move for many months and the possibilities of setting up or using that one move. Or people find moves that they thought sucked, but were good due to the advantage or slight disadvantage in certain CH situations, crushing situations or ground situations all the time.
In MK, we can easily say a move is crap or not in a second and never look back. This makes it so that MK gameplay discussion is well.. nonexistant for the most part. So what do you have left for people to come and talk about? Secrets and Fatalities, but no matter how many there are, people will find em all out. Then all you have left is talking about what you want in the next game, message board games, people coming up with their own fanfics and etc. for MK, their favorite characters, etc. I mean seriously, without gameplay discussion, a messageboard for a game can't really thrive to have a lot of regular users.
People pay $1 in Asia generally cause well, they make more money cause their cost of living is higher. In US, standard is still $.50 and still going strong.
Also, most posts on Tekken Zaibatsu aren't from continually the same people... I mean seriously, you got a cast of over 30 chars in T5 and an average of 5,000 posts per board for each Tekken game or more. That's a lot of different people who play the game, especially at tournies. I don't think the time of day matters though, I mean during normal school hours for people, TZ is still having around 350+ people on.

i had no idea they put out an expansion for tekken 5...
i'm jumping on that shit ASAP. and i agreed with him because...what's the point in bitching? just because some whiney little fans bitch about MKA, doesn't mean boon is going to care what they think. he's making the game how he wants it, not completely how the fans want it. maybe a bit, but not completely. adding a few new things, taking a few things away, etc. i agree with him because there's really no point in being childish about something you can't change...might as well go with the flow of things. not like anyones bashing is going to change anything in the works, anyway. what he said was the most mature thing i've read about this game, bashing, set aside. because he wasn't acting like a fucking two year old, bitching because he isn't getting his way.

eh, it isn't so bad. I'm playin it right now, and the computer a.i. is amazing! The rest isn't that great.

Soul Calibur III's A.I. isn't all that great. It's not "smart" in the way you'd expect good A.I. to be, it's just cheesy. It's one of those situations where if you try to fight the computer as you would a normal human you get slapped around but if you whore certain moves over and over, it's a joke of a fight. Spam Nightmare's 8wrB and you can get through just about any match unharmed. Even Night Terror falls for it.

Yeah, SC3's AI is not great at all. I am mostly a Siegfreid player and Siegfreid's BA2A works wonders even after the first, or sometimes, bothe the 1st and 2nd hits are blocked. They eat the hell out of that shit, causing me to use it when computer start to fight like crap. It has unltimately taught me very bad habits when I play real people. When you are predictible like that your losing probability increases severely.



Thanks guys, I didn't even expect any complements for it. It is just that the same shit happens, the same results happen, no inbetweens. People like TonyTheTiger, HDTran, Satyagraha DrCube and even the no-one-is-my-friend 1Tru King have been on this gameplay explanation shit for a long time.
Countless 'false-opinion-having-fans' destructions later and there are more. It is almost like their numbers have even increased. After almost 11 pages worth of knowledge/suggestions dropping and some random guy actually has the nerve to come in and say "R u guys on rocks, this looks like the best MK bla bla blah..." I was pissed until Versatile's post of banning him made me giggle.
TonyTheTiger doesn't seem as active as before these days, TTT is probably tired of the repition now and just wants to shove their eyeballs through the ink tube so they could probably have a better view of the low-ink pen.
Well, back to me watching this thing unfold like history all over again, from the sidelines.
P.S. probably someone should make a new gamplay "whining" thread(that points out the gameplays flaws) so new people can see it, I am sure there is alot of new folks that aren't reading the sticky or this thread to be enlightened about the gameplay due to their sizes. (Although I admit, it is just an exuse for me to see more of these post destructions with facts.)

No one is whining or complaining..we're just discussing wat needs to be done to improve mk...

A friend of mine said told me to stop being surprised about what I see on MKO. He said there are sites that have worse misconceptions and pointed me to gamespot. Following his direction I spotted this thread:
Wow, I wonder if there is more??

And how. I'm even worse, I just button mash on the AI. I got used to doing that and while playing against some peeps a couple of months ago, got my ass handed to me. Fucking weak.

Wow...I'm reading through that topic on gamefaqs...I can't believe I didn't catch it earlier, but Guest_1001 is a fucking moronic dumbass who needs to be taught how to play a fighting game or debate for that matter. People like him make me want to strangle things.

people here dont give a flyin fuck about gameplay.

the only two choices about the actual fighting (konquest and air kombat) are last
after this i bet boon will just keep remaking mka to keep the nubz happy...i can see it now.."MKA VOL3 SUPER DUPER SECRET ADDITION HYPER FIGHTING"
lol

lol!
Anyways, what the hell does konquest have to do with gameplay? I understand Air Combat, but konquest?

which will probably be done in the nex-gen console versions of MK...but as of now...it's quite pointless to cry about things that aren't going to change in MKA. boon doesn't care what any of you think. and talking about it on a board isn't going to get you heard either. if you want changes, talk to midway/boon about it. not force your naysay opinions on a board of MK fans whom probably are anticipating this game, reguardless of your naysaying babble.
sure...even i'm upset that they're using the same engine for the final game. and sure...infinites suck. and while we're at it...wake up game would be awesome...but it isn't going to happen. it ISN'T. no matter how much we whine, bitch, rant, and moan...it is NOT going to happen in MKA. talking about it, wont change anything...so the only point in this, is to gain attention toward yourself, and get people to agree with you. and ruin it for everyone else, whom doesn't care about the game not having what YOU want in it.
just because you're pissed off, doesn't mean others have to, nor want to be.
sure...some of you ARE discussing this. yes. but alot of you are just flatout pointlessly bitching. maybe you don't want to admit it...but some of you, are seriously bitching and moaning, like two year olds, over not getting wake up game, WAY improved graphics, and a better fighting engine, on MKA.
wow...were you actually expecting these things to come out of a MK game that ISN'T going to be released on nex-gen systems? good luck with that.
MKA is going to be released on the PS2, and XBOX. two very ancient machines. they're outdated. and some of you actually expect boon to put GODLY things, into MKA, all while throwing it, into outdated consoles?!
sure...he COULD have put wake up game into the game...but that hasn't gone into ANY MK game thus far...why would he out of nowhere, want to incorporate that now?
i say, leave it to nex-gen titles and systems.
don't throw such a great thing, into a dying console.
and again, think about it. the PS2, and XBOX consoles, are dying outdated consoles. most people have replaced their XBOXs, with XBOX 360s, and most people, are going to replace their PS2s, with PS3s.
so why bother adding something like a new fighting engine to a dying console, when it's just going to be thrown out and replaced with an upgraded version anyway?
save all the new stuff, for the NEW systems. that way, you can use the best of everything. best graphics, better engine, etc.
get it?
this is probably WHY boon decided NOT to upgrade.
why give someone a mediocre taste of something, when on nex-gen consoles, you can give them a superior taste of it?
so if you guys are seriously bitching like two year olds, over boon not putting wake up game into MKA...it's laughable. that's one single thing he didn't do. big deal.
i'm not gonna let something like a lack of wake up game, and infinites ruin the game for me. let them be there. i don't care. i'm getting the game reguardless. because i'm not a nit-picky little twat, like the whiners on here.
(no this wasn't actually directed at the person i responded to (digital), it was directed at any and everyone who just loves to bitch about the things they can't change in MKA no matter how much they bitch about it. nothing's gonna change, so your rants go unheard. it really is quite pointless.)

Yeah, and then there's arrogant dumbasses like yourself and Tru King who think they know everything in the world, yeah the world will never change.You're not so perfect yourself, and it's retarded to be able to hit someone on the ground, that's my view despite if you disagree.Again, this isn't Tekken, stop trying to convert MK to Tekken.If it did that, then it wouldn't be MK now would it?
Players that have another beat yet never played them, yeah that's real common sense right there lol.
That's as stupid as saying yeah my GF is hotter then Daves because I already know, I don't have to see his GF to compare.Seriously bro, I already proved that you contradicted yourself a few posts ago, you're in no position to lecture.
Also, to Ryu I have played Tekken and VF and other then the info Bleed listed there's nothing drastically different imo.Yes, they are different but come on.We all know Tekken took LOTS of shit from VF.Admit it already.It's funny though, whenever I ask any diehard VF fans, they tell me that Tekken used a lot of the elements that were in VF, yet Tekken fans deny this, well the close minded ones anyway.There's this one guy I work with, a VF nut to the T.I should just ask him out of curiousity to see what he thinks.
Also, to HD I was only telling Menthol that the arcades around here and most places are dead now days, that's great that they're still hot in Cali.I loved that scene and do miss it a lot.
I noticed that majority of people in here that go on and on about how Ed is dumb, MK lacks bla, bla, bla are diehard Tekken fans.I see a pattern here.
I'm trying to peg out the ones that are more MK exclusive and I must say, there aren't many.
It makes no difference though, if you truly love MK then you will play if regardless.It's not hard to see the true MK fans and the Tekken fans that claim to be MK fans. lol.
Again, talk to me when your mighty tekken goes online, hell I know they have framerate problems but shit, come on it's the 5th installment and still nothing.Pathetic if you ask me.
At least Bleed admits that he wants it online.
I would too if I liked Tekken a lot.Like I said, MK, DOA, Guilty Gear, SF:A, KOF are all online.It's only a matter of time before SC, Tekken are left in the dust as far as online is concerned, and that's big issue these days.A great game without any form of online play, how long do you think that will last?
Let the hating begin on M.K.F.30

Why am I in hear again?I'm wasting my breath as far as this thread is concerned anyway.I must be bored.

LOL, come to the Xbox both you and Dave and I'll give you headaches my friend apart pal.WOW, are all PS 2 players arrogant punks? WOW lol.