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07/12/2008 02:24 AM (UTC)
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I expected Liu Kang because he is an iconic character if you like him or not, but I did not expect Captain Marvel because all he really is, is superman in a different costume.

Yea but 100x better imo.
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07/12/2008 02:27 AM (UTC)
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I'm excited for Liu Kang, but I expected him to be the first confirmed to be honest. Liu Kang is the main character of the series.

I think a lot of people just want to see the roster consist of all the swap characters... (female assasins, cyborg ninjas, the ninja group.)

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07/12/2008 02:29 AM (UTC)
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As stated (though I don't like it) Liu Kang was a given. Like it or not he IS one of MK's biggest Icons. I dunno.. perhaps with the "6 specials per fighter" thing going on.. they can do some new and interesting things with him. Maybe.


But I'm REALLY confused about Captain Marvel. Now, correct me if I'm wrong.. but they said that they were able to put Superman in this game (with the normal mortals able to fight him) because of the fact that there was magic all over the place.. which levels the field for those characters by making him vulnerable to their attacks. He can be defeated.

But wait...

Now, they go and introduce Captain Marvel. This character is basically Superman.... only without the pesky magic weakness. Magic is ineffective against him. It does not weaken him. So if that's the case.. then tell me, what was the point of weakening Superman to give the other characters a shot? It makes NO sense to me.

Or more obvious than that: Why waste a perfectly good spot on a character who, for all intents and purposes, is a clone of one you already have?
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07/12/2008 02:36 AM (UTC)
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JRC15 Wrote:
I think a lot of people just want to see the roster consist of all the swap characters... (female assasins, cyborg ninjas, the ninja group.)

Tssk

Because Reptile and Smoke looked EXACTLY alike in MKarmageddon, right?

Forgive the sarcasm, I don't mean to be rude. But with that cutting knife, you'd also have to knock Subzero and Scorpion out of the roster as well. The ninjas may have started out as swaps, but their stories and designs beat the fecal matter out of many of the other characters.
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07/12/2008 02:39 AM (UTC)
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I'm not saying they're exactly the same... but they seem to be the only characters people don't rant about.

"I hate Sonya..."

"Ugh, Liu Kang?"

"Where's Ermac?"
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07/12/2008 02:42 AM (UTC)
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JRC15 Wrote:
I'm not saying they're exactly the same... but they seem to be the only characters people don't rant about.

"I hate Sonya..."

"Ugh, Liu Kang?"

"Where's Ermac?"

Fair enough.

I'm not crazy about Sonya or Liu, but I don't really dislike them either. I just wish we had a more diverse roster. With seven developed MK games, why must half the kombatants be pre-MK2?
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07/12/2008 02:49 AM (UTC)
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I see your point there. I think it's all about notoriety to be honest.
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07/12/2008 02:52 AM (UTC)
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hmm superman actually has a lot of power captain marvel doesn't. they only share strength, endurance/invulnurability, speed/flight. and captain marvel has this lightning thingy.

i wonder how he'll play.
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07/12/2008 02:55 AM (UTC)
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The Gamespot stuff is now up! Woot!
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07/12/2008 03:10 AM (UTC)
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I am just glad they made the combo limit to 3-5 hits.HOPEFULLY there won't be any infin combos and if such does happens,I hope they release a update fixing that problem.
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07/12/2008 03:25 AM (UTC)
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I'm pretty happy Liu Kang is in, as long as they do something different with him this time. He has potential to be very cool. He just needs a new look and maybe some new variations of his moves. And thanks for the shout out Hec!


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07/12/2008 03:33 AM (UTC)
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Captain Marvel DEPRECIATION.

This spot could have gone to someone like Wonder Woman, The Joker, or Poison Ivy (if any of those aren't included in the game).
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07/12/2008 03:37 AM (UTC)
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Well Jimmy did say there would be surprises..guess this is one of em.
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07/12/2008 04:39 AM (UTC)
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I was very surprised to hear them talking up gameplay!
So far my impressions been a sloppy serve of homogeny with a side of button mashing mini-modes, and specials for desert. Snoresville, daddio.
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07/12/2008 04:49 AM (UTC)
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Noooo! I hate Liu Kang. always have since Mk1 came out in arcades. I remember when mk2 came out and Liu Kang was announced as the winner of mk1 and I was stunned. He was the only character I avidly disliked from mk1. Liked his move but not his character, look, or story.
I was so happy when he died in mkda and disappointed when he came back as a zombie in mkd. He's dead, just leave him dead. If we only get 10 or 11 character slots give me Kabal, Sindel, Kano, Kung Lao, or Baraka. Anybody but Liu Kang, hell I'll even take Cage.
Sub-Zero and Scorpion are the most popular and iconic characters in mk, since the younger Sub-Zero is a hero and protector of earthrealm, I don't know why the mk team just doesn't make him the new mk champion and make 90% of the fan base happy.
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07/12/2008 06:00 AM (UTC)
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I'll say it again: how many people were asking for Liu to return? Out of all the people who vouched for his presence (which is already a small few), less than half of them did so out of actual fandom. They felt he "belonged" due to status. When the sun has fallen, who really cares about status? I would be pissed if I had to give up Cyrax or Reptile for a bullshit status.


I think it's really sad that people think they know what's in Midway's fan mail... Just because a fan site's posters don't like a character doesn't mean no one cares about them. To me, Liu Kang is awesome, turkey calls and all. I wanted him in bad, but I didn't make fifteen posts about it. No, I let Midway know which characters I liked and exaclty what I thought of Deception's roster (it blew chunks, IMO) through e-mails over the past few years, as it's impossible to do so on sites where the same people run around insulting your character preferences everytime you post them.

We don't know what characters people really like, we just know what the handful of diehards like. With millions of copies sold, about a dozen, even a hundred website posters' preferences simply aren't a sufficient sampling to base popularity on.
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07/12/2008 06:12 AM (UTC)
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I'm gonna cry if Kitana isn't announced soon. :( I'm holding on to hope that she will at least be revealed to be in at comic con. And Mileena too. A MK without the original female assassins is not a MK game to me. *prays*
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07/12/2008 06:37 AM (UTC)
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Next MK characters to be revealed: Raiden, Cage, Kano, Goro, and Reptile. I guess by iconic they meant MK1. (Note the sarcasm, don't get excited thinking I'm right..) It's pretty bad if it does end up that way, especially that coming from me too cuz yes I'm one of those "anything after mk2 sucked" fanboys. But it kills the diversity. Going from board to board, I usually see that Liu Kang haters out number his fans 2 or 3 to 1. So I really think it's sad that they put him in, it shows again that Midway is lazy and doesn't research fanbase enough. A wasted slot that could have been used for better characters.
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07/12/2008 07:01 AM (UTC)
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So now we have Sub Zero, Scorpion, Shang Tsung, and Liu Kang. That's 4 male characters already. And with there being 10 per side, that's almost half the MK roster filled. They've only introduced one female character so far and that's Sonya. There has gotta be at least two more females on the Mk side to even the male to female ratio out a little bit more. I have no doubt in my mind that Rayden will make it into the game, and more than likely Reptile. And now more than ever I feel strongly that if any other females are revealed for the MK side, Kitana & Mileena are the sure fire picks for those slots. Maybe, just maybe we might get to see the two work together for a change.
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07/12/2008 09:37 AM (UTC)
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i hope for the MK1 characters...c'mon,Sindel it's not iconic!
she is surely popular among fans,but a non MK fans knows better sindel or Johnny Cage,which appeared in the first movie?

again not to be rude,but my brother don't give a fuck about MK,and i can guarantee you he knows only this chars:CAGE,LIU,SONYA,SUBBY,SCORPY and GORO.
Yes he don't know people like Kano,Shang Tsung and Reptile.
and as well other non MK fans.
so i think that midway should aim to the non MK fans for this game,considering how the MK fanboys will avoid to buy this stupid crossover
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07/12/2008 10:37 AM (UTC)
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Nice advertising.

1. (0:00 -1:40sec) Cool that we were able to make people realize that MK still has a strong following. The tie for that shows highest rating is something cool for anybody to be recognized for. And, that show will likely be sure to feature Mortal Kombat stuff either more often, or more out front from now on.

It should serve as kind of a shock to those folks who kept saying that MK is dead, or has been dead for a long time..ect. Seems at least less true a statement now.

2. (1:40 - 3:00sec) First, the voice sound byte of the main announcer (Shao Kahn?) that's there is terribly old sounding. It needs a bump in the visceral, menacing context. Needs to sound more like some guys scary voice, and less like a computer generated // manipulated sound byte.
Umm...Look to Imotep's voice, from the movie "The Mummy"( his voice as a mummy, all before 1:50sec).

Secondly, sounds like Hector got a little over confident. lol That's cool if he's pumped. It's kinda funny too.

Third, yea thanks for Sonya. Besides the render of her face being messed up, she looks good. Really more her in-game model is what I like, but her overall design is a good nod to the fan demand. Always can be improved though.

3. (3:00sec - 7:40) Captain Marvel and Liu Kang hu? Would Captain Marvel have anything to do with the movie that they're making for him? Liu Kang is understandable according to the movie back in the day. Every casual MK fan would wonder where he's at. But they should note that Liu Kang is pretty much a thorn in the core MK fanbases side right now. The next MK game should have him absent.

And what does Jennifer Hedricks (Character Artist) think of some of the comments and critiques about her character models that have been released to the MK populous? It'd be interesting to hear her talk. We like females alot right now if you can't tell. Imagine the "novelty"(lol) of hearing an actual female developer talk for once. Train her up to be in front of a mic or camera. hehe..Seriously though, go get her, and let her talk. Or "a" female. I'd love it.

4. (7:40 - 10:00sec) My guess for the 4 characters at Comic-Con are:

MK
1. Raiden (There's a couple that could fit here actually. Baraka, Reptile come to mind. But I mainly think it's going to be a god, or a monster since we already have two ninja-types)
2. Kitana or Mileena(One of MK's "sexy ladys")

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3. Green Lantern or Lobo or Darksied
4. Wonder Woman

That's what I think though
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Talking directly to the fans - Yea, stick around a while.

5. (10:00 - END)

Question1 MKSM Question: "Book of Raiden", Edenia, "Shira Ryu", "Lin Kuei"....ect There's plenty. Let us play through how one of the bad guys turned bad. Shang Tsung or Shao Kahn....Shinnok or Quan Chi. Any will do because they're all un-clarified characters.

Question 2 Awards questions: Costume stuff, KAKharacter stuff, other arenas, Secret characters

Question 3 MKast Question: Every week is fine. Get features. Improve the voice byte of Shao Kahn or whoever that is. Sounds too much like the last three games the way it is. Go for "modern day scary" voice(SAW and other horror movies), not just a "deep" voice. Raspy, throaty, and deep together in one voice...or whatever. If it's Shao Kahn, he's a monster character...make him sound like a"man-alien-monster".

Question 4 Online Play: It's not whether it will be there or not, it's the quality.

Question 5 Breakable Arenas: Arenas should be their own living character in the games. Things should pop out and grab us, or make us fall into stuff, or push us into each other...ect Effecting gameplay that way, instead of interrupting the back and forth of watching and playing a fun "martial arts movie" -- video game.

Question 6 MKHec Question: Cool you claimed your usertag.

Question 7 Special Moves during FreeFall: Character specific gameplay is the way to go. Still not interested in the Free fall or Close combat because of my answer to #5.

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Nice advertising, good re-assurance in there...ect. However, I'm just not impressed. I haven't seen "new and improved" by any specific definition. Seeing babysteps towards the inference of...instead of it being obvious through what you're showing us.

Gameplay isn't a selling point for MK until MK proves it. So saying that isn't making me care about it more. Sry guys, but we're all gonna have to wait til after we get to play it to finalize whether "the gameplay is what sold the game". That and, there's a few things in the vids that have been shown that are old. Or at least old looking. Sub-Zeros tombstone drop, I mean, teleport, animations still seem to move the same as the last couple games...ect. This stuff needs to change//get better before I'd consider supporting that claim before, and or after playing it.


Mentioning that it takes some cues from MK2 and or 3 would've been nice early on.


Overall, thanks for speaking again. Even though I'm not impressed with this game at all, I am enjoying the entertainment.

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07/12/2008 10:57 AM (UTC)
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2. (1:40 - 3:00sec) First, the voice sound byte of the main announcer (Shao Kahn?) that's there is terribly old sounding. It needs a bump in the visceral, menacing context. Needs to sound more like some guys scary voice, and less like a computer generated // manipulated sound byte.

Might be someone like Darkseid, or something... They all start to sound a bit alike, to me. I'm not great at recognising them.
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07/12/2008 10:58 AM (UTC)
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Remember, Kotaku's hints (which seem very reliable) mentioned eleven DC characters.
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07/12/2008 11:31 AM (UTC)
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ThePredator151 Wrote:
2. (1:40 - 3:00sec) First, the voice sound byte of the main announcer (Shao Kahn?) that's there is terribly old sounding. It needs a bump in the visceral, menacing context. Needs to sound more like some guys scary voice, and less like a computer generated // manipulated sound byte.

Might be someone like Darkseid, or something... They all start to sound a bit alike, to me. I'm not great at recognising them.


Ah.

Well, I get in the studio and record from time to time. So I have an idea of what they might even be using to produce the sound that they're coming up with.

For one, it sounds like the same guys voice from the last games. BUT, it must be noted that you can make a voice sound like anything now days. It's just a matter of quality then.

They should use different layers of the same voice(or different people combined altogether), and manipulate them differently to come up with something different. Add different effects to different voices saying the same thing..ect.

Batman should have a really "Ferrari's exhaust" type voice. Really wispy, but smooth, raspy, and throaty all at the same time. For that, they may just need to "go get the guy" from the other media that does his voice. But it can be done through manipulation.

Raidens voice, on the other hand, should have a medium deep-ness to it, and have a decent amount of wispy-ness to it. Reflecting Chris Lambert and some of the other versions of his voice done by Jeff Meeks. Cartoon, MKC, and I think Meeks did MKSM Raiden too.

Shao Kahn is an alien monster man having at least some ties to half dragon beings. So, making him have a little hint of Reptile's voice isn't a bad thing. However, that should be overshadowed by a really large creature-man texture to it. Like that Imotep clip I posted. Really "booming", really old despite his look. Really intimidating and cringe-worthy.
Right now it just sounds really smooth and computer generated, when it should sound really rough, and almost crawling to the ear.

I'd advise them to invest in some good animal sound samples. Elephants, Lions, Tigers, Panthers, Different types of Snakes, Wolves//Dogs, and a few different types of beetles and birds. Weather samples wouldn't hurt either...but a synthesizer works.

Manipulating, and mixing those types of things in with human vocals makes for a really exhilarating sound byte.

I can tell you that the Imotep clip I posted definitely has some sort of cat (lion, tiger) and maybe some elephant sounds in his voice. I don't know what else though...

But yea, they've gotta step it up.
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07/12/2008 04:28 PM (UTC)
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Well I expected Liu Kang to be in it, I mean he is the "hero" of MK I suppose. However, I didn't expect Captain Marvel...that's a surprise to me. I'm guessing he's the "mystical superhero" considering he has lightning powers of some sort right?
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