for balance reasons, no he shouldn't be.

yeah i agree. that sub shouldn't be immune.

Yes, for balance reasons probably not totally immune, but I always thought certain characters should be more resistant against attacks that are of the same element as the attacks they use. Or like Scorpion who's practically a hellspawn, should laugh, or at least shrug it off, when someone tries to use fire on him.

So for example, if someone uses a fire move on Scorpion, he should take reduced damage, but be immune to effects caused by the fire. Like getting knocked off balance, stuns, attack interuption or whatever it's called. In short, he should be able to keep attacking while taking the damage.

For Sub-Zero, I'd give him reduced damage against ice attacks and reduced stun time. So he doesn't remain frozen for as long as the other characters.

You know what was awesome in MKDA and onwards? How Kenshi was immune to Sonya and Kira's blinding dust,which is great because it makes total sense.

As for Sub,eh,it could go both ways.

No he shouldn't be Immune. Was he immune to Frost's attacks?

Or female characters to Johnny Cage's nutpunch

he should.


makes things more strategic and interesting.

Only if Superman takes reduced damage from being punched or kicked and the opponent suffers recoil.

I mean, hey, if we're going with things they should be immune to we should go all the way. Superman's invulnerability super power can be negated by magic, but he's still a Kryptonian and, as such, his body is naturally 10x denser than any human's.

And while we're at it, let's make Raiden immune to lightning.

And let's make Captain Marvel immune to everything BUT lightning.

And let's make Flash impossible to actually hit.

If you can't tell, I am being facetious and feel making Sub-z immune to freezing is stupid as he has never been shown to be immune to it before.

Too much of the game is built on the concessions of game mechanic.
If they're going to introduce a sense of realism uniquely logical to each character, then they need to do it across the board. With the misgivings most have about the balance of MK games, this would probably create a lot more trouble than it's worth.

If Sub-Zero's immune to ice (perfectly logical), then Raiden should be immune to electricity (and maybe more), Superman should be super-strong and have a long health bar, Batman should to interact with environments more freely and be more nimble, Flash should be able to move at super-speeds in all of his actions...

It's a pandoras box that could only work with broad commitment.


Soft mechanics that fit into the basic structure aren't bad though.
Sub-Zero's immunity gives him a singular advantage not attached to any mechanic. I appreciated some of the dabbling they did in MKDA with character logics like Nitara and Shang Tsung (health stealing), and the impale moves. All designed within the structure of a special move -- the conceit of the game mechanics.

i understand what you are saying.

Yeah, it'd be fantastic if they were doing it with everyone!
I mean, that's half the fun of the superhero environment.

Superman could beat the shit out of half these guys, but Lex Luthor (and Batman) have a habit of carrying Kryptonite around and could take him out, even though Lex would get beaten by a host of other characters (ie; Captain Marvel).

The character/plot driven dynamics are why there are far fewer complaints from fanboys about the similarities between Superman and Captain Marvel. They're used to thinking with their heads, rather than their thumbs.

Most games - fighters included - definitely seem to be heading toward some sort of hyper realism and this would be a great step! It would just need to be part of the thinking process from the very beginning, rather than something slapped on for one or two favourite characters.

Given how comfortable most MK fans seem to be with the clunky simplicity of uniform fight styles, it might also be too much of a risk if they're relying on moderate successes from every game. I don't know. It might be soft enough a change to sneak through, as opposed to say, the example of removing the HUD.

Honestly, that's like saying Sub-Zero shouldn't be able to freeze himself if it's Sub vs Sub

Good call on the Sub Zero vs Zub Zero thing. Wassupwitdat.

I'm not opposed to the idea, but I think you know, you can't really just do it for one character. If you're going to do something like that you need to apply the concept to every character. Which I think would be really cool, but potentially gamebreaking. Given who's working on this game I don't really want it attempted. Basics first.

And Al Gore was thinking about running for president this election.

Scorpion should be immune to Green Lantern's powers.

Fifteen years ago, chief!


That's right.
This is a problem why, exactly?

Agreed.


otherwise, wouldn't he be immune to himself in a Sub-Zero vs Sub-Zero fight?

To make this game complete this kind of detail is needed. It makes sense, Forget the balance Sub-Zero and Superman are unlikely to meet often enough to make this a serious balance issue. Superman has many moves I would love to see this addition.

I think he should. Wouldnt be the 1st... lol obviously johnny cage couldnt do the nut breaker on the female fighters and kenshi wasnt affected by sonyas kiss off death

Agreed.
It would be logical for immunity or complete resistance.

Or for the moves to have no effect!

Defensive Ice shaker instead of offensive. You'd have to be on your game to do it in the event that Superman tried to freeze you. Like Nightwolf's projectile deflector.
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Or he could have a reversal of the ice breathe of Superman. He'd just throw it back. Similar in principal to Nightwolf's projectile deflector.
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Or it could translate as a fake freeze, or a clone that is provoked by Supermans ice breathe. In this game, Sub-Zero already has a deceptive clone move....have that trigger when he gets frozen.

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Or, he could just not be affected at all.

Hahah. i was going to say the samething. but yeah i think Sub-zero should be immune or maybe just take damage from the ice and not get frozen.