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"They are too bland and similar" says the forum that constantly cries out for black Scorpion, wind Raiden and Shao Khan Jr.


P.S. Jax and Jacqui find all your tears delicious.


confused Who's Black Scorpion in this scenario?
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04/02/2015 01:44 AM (UTC)
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Is not only that but how this argument conveniently only appears before criticism, when the comment is "positive" or mindless praise then it's ok to speculate.



Lol.

There is a simple explanation, it goes like this.

If you hate Jax or Jacqui then you are "negative" and just judging things before seeing enough of them and you are a bad person.

But if you love Jax or Jacqui then you are "positive" even though you liked them before seeing enough of them and you are a great person.

It's just laughable, these people are just weird. But it is human nature to be hypocrites after all.

For people that say that.

You obviously saw enough in this trailer to make you like Jax or Jaqcui, other people saw the same damn trailer and they were still unimpressed, the problem is not the trailer, in fact there is no problem at all.

People who hate Jax and Jacqui are not negative or anything, they just have their preference and obviously that's not Jax or Jacqui. People who keep saying "If you talk about how unimpressed you are about Jax and Jacqui then you are a negative person or you are bitching" those people are the most laughably miserable people on here.

This is coming from someone who likes Jacqui.
Even though I agree that the roster is rather... partial to one alignment, I never understood exactly WHY this bothers people. Seriously, most of the complaints I see from people are just painfully transparent clamors for their favorite characters (waaaah why aren't Rain and Reiko in? Waahhhh this roster is overflowing with good guys waaaah).
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04/02/2015 01:46 AM (UTC)
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Windice Wrote:
Ultimachu Wrote:
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First off the "neutral" characters are allied with the good characters and working AGAINST Mileena. That is a huge chunk of the roster. Also Erron Black, Sub Zero, and Scorpion all seem to now be permanently on the good side. They may not go to the family BBQ's but they sure as fuck aren't attacking Earthrealm. Erron Black is a little more up in the air I know, but his story line from the comics seems to be strongly hinting in that direction. Also you forgot Kitana for the good side.

Secondly, dude come on, look at that "evil" character list. We all know the revenants will eventually be freed and returned to the good side. Not to mention a huge chunk of the "evil" characters are NPC's with mere story mode cameos. You know exactly what people mean when they say too many good characters. NPC's with mere story mode cameos and endless minion/ cannon fodder don't mean jack shit. My count is five evil characters with Shinnok, Quan Chi, Mileena, Goro (if he's in story mode at all) and Kano (who you forgot). And fuck it, maaaaybe Lui Kang makes this list too since he doesn't seem like a happy camper, but even then I don't see him fighting against good characters other than Raiden.

Overall I know I'm getting massively ahead of myself and I agree with KenshiMaster16's post. The story may have many twists and turns that shake things up and turn factions that are normally allies into enemies. Thats what I'm hoping for and with the quality of chapter one being so high thats kinda what I expect. However, the way things look NOW, at this moment in time, there is an abundance of good characters and the good vs evil conflict looks incredibly lop sided.


How is Sub-Zero "permanently" on the good side when we SEE him and the Lin Kuei attack Cassie, Jin, Jaqcui and Takeda? Same goes for Scorpion who attacks Raiden in the comics and makes it blatantly obvious that he doesn't like him. I didn't add Kitana to the good side because she's seen fighting Jin and Cassie with Sindel and she is seen attacking Jax in the new trailer as a revenant.

For a portion of the story, yes, Kotal and his army are allied with them. But as I said to someone else, there are moments in the trailer where we see Kotal's Army, Erron, Reptile and Ermac attack Cassie, Jacqui, Jin and Takeda which proves that their alliance doesn't last long. And no, someone said "what's the threat when there are 50 million good characters?" so my list was in regards to the STORY, not the roster.

The obvious threat is Mileena, her entire army of Tarkatan, Kotal Kahn and his entire army along with Quan-Chi, his revenants AND an entire army of Netherrealm Demons. So that's three armies potentially three entire armies against the Special Forces. We may also even be able to include the Black Dragon since Kano is also with Kotal.

And even the roster, as I said in the previous post - there are 12 good characters, 8 nuetral and 4 evil excluding Goro. That's not lopsided to me, especially considering every MK game other than DA/D had rosters that had about the same ratio of good/neutral/evil characters. On an ending note, calm down. You don't have to throw curse words all over the place to try and get your point across.


Yea cus earthrealm lacks a army right? We all know kitana will be set free like the rest. Sub zero was probably just testing the kids. Scorpion does not like raiden but he has takeda. People who are being controlled are not really evil. In the past games there was way more villians. Go look. Also why should the sides be off for the majority of the game. If anything it should be the other way around.


What are you talking about? If you carefully read my post, you will see that I said there are potentially three armies against the Special Forces. In the comics Raiden sent Sub-Zero to get one of the Kamidogu and Sub-Zero betrayed Raiden by keeping it to himself. In regards to the revenants, it doesn't matter if they're being controlled. They're still evil and are a threat to Earthrealm.

Also, it doesn't matter if Scorpion is allied with Takeda. It's be noted plenty of times in the comic that every time Scorpion fights, he risks being corrupted by vengeance. In his intro with Takeda he says "I have returned to Quan-Chi's service." This may or may not be canon but can still be used as evidence that he is still a neutral character.

Lastly, no. The only games that had more villains were Deadly Alliance and Deception. All of the other games were fairly balanced and still had a few more good characters over neutral and evil.


Revenants are skins at best. And a few key word is a few right now a majority of the characters are not evil and 3 armies against the special forces? Your pretty much look at one point of view but not the other. Stop putting in the little tiny minions that u can not play as in for your argument. If the sides really are special what happened to Baraka? Why can't we have a good representation of the evil side. No instead we get a bunch of new special forces.


What in the world are you going on about??? Is no one reading anything I'm saying before replying? I WAS NEVER TALKING ABOUT THE ROSTER TO BEGIN WITH. There, hopefully that's clear enough for anyone else that wants to reply to me in regards of this, lol. The armies are included because they are a part of the STORY and are the THREAT.

Kotal's army is seen fighting the Special Forces. Mileena's army is obviously enemy to Earthrealm and so is the Netherrealm army. So yes, THREE armies are a threat in this story. How are we not getting a good representation of the evil side? Are you saying the evil side is poorly represented simply because we don't get to play as them?


We are talking about the roster. Also kotal army is working with the special forces and yes I am saying it is being poorly represented. Also we know that mileena and shinnok take place at differnt times in the story as of now. How kotal and the special forces can not take down mileena is a mystery. With so many good guys being playable they will all be just fighting eachother for dumb reasons.
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04/02/2015 01:49 AM (UTC)
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Ion3008 Wrote:
From-ear-to-ear Wrote:
"They are too bland and similar" says the forum that constantly cries out for black Scorpion, wind Raiden and Shao Khan Jr.


P.S. Jax and Jacqui find all your tears delicious.


confused Who's Black Scorpion in this scenario?


Noob. Kahn Jr. is the one I'm lost on.

Oh wait. Reiko. Durp.
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04/02/2015 01:51 AM (UTC)
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CassiesPatentedNutBuster Wrote:
Even though I agree that the roster is rather... partial to one alignment, I never understood exactly WHY this bothers people. Seriously, most of the complaints I see from people are just painfully transparent clamors for their favorite characters (waaaah why aren't Rain and Reiko in? Waahhhh this roster is overflowing with good guys waaaah).


Some people don't like to be the good guy. Some people want to be evil. It also makes u think the story will be filled with fight like Johnny vs jax
CassiesPatentedNutBuster Wrote:
Even though I agree that the roster is rather... partial to one alignment, I never understood exactly WHY this bothers people. Seriously, most of the complaints I see from people are just painfully transparent clamors for their favorite characters (waaaah why aren't Rain and Reiko in? Waahhhh this roster is overflowing with good guys waaaah).


Because I don't like playing as Sonya or Jax or Liu or Kung Lao...

Raiden, Sub-Zero was never really my thing, Johnny Cage is worth a few laughs but I tend to pass over him, And yeah it was great to see Kenshi but I tended to play Skarlet more often.

Oh but no Skarlet now. Baraka can't make it. Rain is left out. Noob is Johnny Cage's Shadow, There was never hope of Sheeva with how badly she was handled. No Cyborgs at all: What the fuck?

It's just Mileena and Reptile and I would be FURIOUS if either one of them were left out to make room for another heroic descendant (Daughter of Liu and Kitana anyone?)

I don't play these characters and yet here they are back again (some from the dead even.) That fucking sucks.
inb4 it doesn't cater to you. You're right it caters to those who play heroes dead or alive.
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04/02/2015 01:54 AM (UTC)
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"How kotal and the special forces can not take down mileena is a mystery."

I'm sure Mileena having gotten her hands on Shinnok's Amulet has nothing to do with it....
unleash_your_tounge Wrote:
Ion3008 Wrote:
From-ear-to-ear Wrote:
"They are too bland and similar" says the forum that constantly cries out for black Scorpion, wind Raiden and Shao Khan Jr.


P.S. Jax and Jacqui find all your tears delicious.


confused Who's Black Scorpion in this scenario?


Noob. Kahn Jr. is the one I'm lost on.

Oh wait. Reiko. Durp.


Really I thought he meant Cyrax.
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04/02/2015 01:59 AM (UTC)
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"How kotal and the special forces can not take down mileena is a mystery."

I'm sure Mileena having gotten her hands on Shinnok's Amulet has nothing to do with it....


They have been fighting mileena before that. Also how she managed that is another question. Did raiden just drop it or something? Hahaha
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04/02/2015 02:00 AM (UTC)
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I swear no one can keep their hands on that amulet for longer than two seconds ha ha ha
Ion3008 Wrote:
CassiesPatentedNutBuster Wrote:
Even though I agree that the roster is rather... partial to one alignment, I never understood exactly WHY this bothers people. Seriously, most of the complaints I see from people are just painfully transparent clamors for their favorite characters (waaaah why aren't Rain and Reiko in? Waahhhh this roster is overflowing with good guys waaaah).


Because I don't like playing as Sonya or Jax or Liu or Kung Lao...

Raiden, Sub-Zero was never really my thing, Johnny Cage is worth a few laughs but I tend to pass over him, And yeah it was great to see Kenshi but I tended to play Skarlet more often.

Oh but no Skarlet now. Baraka can't make it. Rain is left out. Noob is Johnny Cage's Shadow, There was never hope of Sheeva with how badly she was handled. No Cyborgs at all: What the fuck?

It's just Mileena and Reptile and I would be FURIOUS if either one of them were left out to make room for another heroic descendant (Daughter of Liu and Kitana anyone?)

I don't play these characters and yet here they are back again (some from the dead even.) That fucking sucks.

inb4 it doesn't cater to you. You're right it caters to those who play heroes dead or alive.


... And this just makes it more obvious. This is more bitching about characters being left out than it is about the roster's moral balance. Expressing it under a narrative of "there being less evil characters this time around" makes it seem valid and not pathetic.
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04/02/2015 02:07 AM (UTC)
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Lol yup
CassiesPatentedNutBuster Wrote:
Ion3008 Wrote:
CassiesPatentedNutBuster Wrote:
Even though I agree that the roster is rather... partial to one alignment, I never understood exactly WHY this bothers people. Seriously, most of the complaints I see from people are just painfully transparent clamors for their favorite characters (waaaah why aren't Rain and Reiko in? Waahhhh this roster is overflowing with good guys waaaah).


Because I don't like playing as Sonya or Jax or Liu or Kung Lao...

Raiden, Sub-Zero was never really my thing, Johnny Cage is worth a few laughs but I tend to pass over him, And yeah it was great to see Kenshi but I tended to play Skarlet more often.

Oh but no Skarlet now. Baraka can't make it. Rain is left out. Noob is Johnny Cage's Shadow, There was never hope of Sheeva with how badly she was handled. No Cyborgs at all: What the fuck?

It's just Mileena and Reptile and I would be FURIOUS if either one of them were left out to make room for another heroic descendant (Daughter of Liu and Kitana anyone?)

I don't play these characters and yet here they are back again (some from the dead even.) That fucking sucks.

inb4 it doesn't cater to you. You're right it caters to those who play heroes dead or alive.


... And this just makes it more obvious. This is more bitching about characters being left out than it is about the roster's moral balance. Expressing it under a narrative of "there being less evil characters this time around" makes it seem valid and not pathetic.


So throw in some more outright evil newcomers.

This poses no issue for me: New Cyborg. New Tarkatan, Throw in an important Demon in there too. Why are there no demons/oni or BOS members in this Netherrealm War?
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So havent read this thread at all, so sorry if already posted


..but since its april fools they should of listen a fake mother as a joke lol
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04/02/2015 02:11 AM (UTC)
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CassiesPatentedNutBuster Wrote:
Ion3008 Wrote:
CassiesPatentedNutBuster Wrote:
Even though I agree that the roster is rather... partial to one alignment, I never understood exactly WHY this bothers people. Seriously, most of the complaints I see from people are just painfully transparent clamors for their favorite characters (waaaah why aren't Rain and Reiko in? Waahhhh this roster is overflowing with good guys waaaah).


Because I don't like playing as Sonya or Jax or Liu or Kung Lao...

Raiden, Sub-Zero was never really my thing, Johnny Cage is worth a few laughs but I tend to pass over him, And yeah it was great to see Kenshi but I tended to play Skarlet more often.

Oh but no Skarlet now. Baraka can't make it. Rain is left out. Noob is Johnny Cage's Shadow, There was never hope of Sheeva with how badly she was handled. No Cyborgs at all: What the fuck?

It's just Mileena and Reptile and I would be FURIOUS if either one of them were left out to make room for another heroic descendant (Daughter of Liu and Kitana anyone?)

I don't play these characters and yet here they are back again (some from the dead even.) That fucking sucks.

inb4 it doesn't cater to you. You're right it caters to those who play heroes dead or alive.


... And this just makes it more obvious. This is more bitching about characters being left out than it is about the roster's moral balance. Expressing it under a narrative of "there being less evil characters this time around" makes it seem valid and not pathetic.


My fave is in and the second person I want in is a good guy so that doesn't work for me. I even said new evil characters before. Isn't it odd to anyone else there is no new evil characters?
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04/02/2015 02:14 AM (UTC)
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Can't wait to see Jacqui variations.
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04/02/2015 02:18 AM (UTC)
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CassiesPatentedNutBuster Wrote:
... And this just makes it more obvious. This is more bitching about characters being left out than it is about the roster's moral balance. Expressing it under a narrative of "there being less evil characters this time around" makes it seem valid and not pathetic.


Isn't that the point? Some people like to play as evil characters. Some people that like to play as evil characters, like to play as familiar ones. SO the fact that we have a bunch of nobodies and like four 'familiar' bad guys sucks. I literally have a hard time putting a list together of the characters I am REALLY interested in for this game. Its screwed when some players can choose from just about all of Earthrealm to play as and be happy. I'm not interested in Earthrealm and Jacqui's gameplay makes me think she could be by boring ass coworker.
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04/02/2015 02:19 AM (UTC)
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Ion3008 Wrote:

This poses no issue for me: New Cyborg. New Tarkatan, Throw in an important Demon in there too. Why are there no demons/oni or BOS members in this Netherrealm War?


Yes. Please.
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04/02/2015 02:20 AM (UTC)
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Windice Wrote:
CassiesPatentedNutBuster Wrote:
Ion3008 Wrote:
CassiesPatentedNutBuster Wrote:
Even though I agree that the roster is rather... partial to one alignment, I never understood exactly WHY this bothers people. Seriously, most of the complaints I see from people are just painfully transparent clamors for their favorite characters (waaaah why aren't Rain and Reiko in? Waahhhh this roster is overflowing with good guys waaaah).


Because I don't like playing as Sonya or Jax or Liu or Kung Lao...

Raiden, Sub-Zero was never really my thing, Johnny Cage is worth a few laughs but I tend to pass over him, And yeah it was great to see Kenshi but I tended to play Skarlet more often.

Oh but no Skarlet now. Baraka can't make it. Rain is left out. Noob is Johnny Cage's Shadow, There was never hope of Sheeva with how badly she was handled. No Cyborgs at all: What the fuck?

It's just Mileena and Reptile and I would be FURIOUS if either one of them were left out to make room for another heroic descendant (Daughter of Liu and Kitana anyone?)

I don't play these characters and yet here they are back again (some from the dead even.) That fucking sucks.

inb4 it doesn't cater to you. You're right it caters to those who play heroes dead or alive.


... And this just makes it more obvious. This is more bitching about characters being left out than it is about the roster's moral balance. Expressing it under a narrative of "there being less evil characters this time around" makes it seem valid and not pathetic.


My fave is in and the second person I want in is a good guy so that doesn't work for me. I even said new evil characters before. Isn't it odd to anyone else there is no new evil characters?


I think D'Vorah is going to turn out evil, based on her dialogue w/Kotal and Quan Chi in the most recent gameplay videos.

Kotal: "With which face do you see me." (two-faced D'Vorah)
D'Vorah: "We see greater power than yours." (thinks she is more powerful)

D'Vorah: "We have business, Quan Chi."
Quan Chi: "It appears so."
D'Vorah: "Then let us not knack."

Even more evidence to back it up: she is seen holding the amulet in achievement art. And she is giving it that look that's like "I've got everything I need...to have anything I want."

If you're picking up what I'm putting down. wink
They look great. I kept saying everyone was judging characters way too early.

Jax's fatality in this was the first one to make me have an audible reaction. Quick and to the point. Jacqui's beatdown on Ermac was awesome and so was Jax slapping everyone around in the Netherrealm.
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04/02/2015 02:26 AM (UTC)
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Jax looks like JAX In gameplay which is a good thing. He isn't my fave to play but it'll be great and story wise I'm looking forward to his rebirth and how he gets a daughter maybe see who with
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04/02/2015 02:28 AM (UTC)
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mmm... nothing really stuck out in this trailer (aside from the language barrier). They seem like what they are, second and third string characters. And the overt American flag thing isn't helping the designs either. Jax's evil/undead look is far superior to his living one. Shame. Also, why does Jackie have the same "strong arm" inadequacy as Jax? It's like a 2-for-1 of the same problem.

While I like pretty much everything else, I don't like this one and I'm not looking forward to these two characters at the moment. Maybe I need to see more gameplay from them both or something.
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04/02/2015 02:29 AM (UTC)
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Bllake Wrote:
Windice Wrote:
CassiesPatentedNutBuster Wrote:
Ion3008 Wrote:
CassiesPatentedNutBuster Wrote:
Even though I agree that the roster is rather... partial to one alignment, I never understood exactly WHY this bothers people. Seriously, most of the complaints I see from people are just painfully transparent clamors for their favorite characters (waaaah why aren't Rain and Reiko in? Waahhhh this roster is overflowing with good guys waaaah).


Because I don't like playing as Sonya or Jax or Liu or Kung Lao...

Raiden, Sub-Zero was never really my thing, Johnny Cage is worth a few laughs but I tend to pass over him, And yeah it was great to see Kenshi but I tended to play Skarlet more often.

Oh but no Skarlet now. Baraka can't make it. Rain is left out. Noob is Johnny Cage's Shadow, There was never hope of Sheeva with how badly she was handled. No Cyborgs at all: What the fuck?

It's just Mileena and Reptile and I would be FURIOUS if either one of them were left out to make room for another heroic descendant (Daughter of Liu and Kitana anyone?)

I don't play these characters and yet here they are back again (some from the dead even.) That fucking sucks.

inb4 it doesn't cater to you. You're right it caters to those who play heroes dead or alive.


... And this just makes it more obvious. This is more bitching about characters being left out than it is about the roster's moral balance. Expressing it under a narrative of "there being less evil characters this time around" makes it seem valid and not pathetic.


My fave is in and the second person I want in is a good guy so that doesn't work for me. I even said new evil characters before. Isn't it odd to anyone else there is no new evil characters?


I think D'Vorah is going to turn out evil, based on her dialogue w/Kotal and Quan Chi in the most recent gameplay videos.

Kotal: "With which face do you see me." (two-faced D'Vorah)
D'Vorah: "We see greater power than yours." (thinks she is more powerful)

D'Vorah: "We have business, Quan Chi."
Quan Chi: "It appears so."
D'Vorah: "Then let us not knack."

Even more evidence to back it up: she is seen holding the amulet in achievement art. And she is giving it that look that's like "I've got everything I need...to have anything I want."

If you're picking up what I'm putting down. wink


I was think she was saying she knows someone who will be a better person for outworld. She could mean herself tho. I hope she turns out evil.
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04/02/2015 02:41 AM (UTC)
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Ion3008 Wrote:
unleash_your_tounge Wrote:
Noob. Kahn Jr. is the one I'm lost on.

Oh wait. Reiko. Durp.


Really I thought he meant Cyrax.


I chuckled. That works too.

ThePredator151 Wrote:
They seem like what they are, second and third string characters. And the overt American flag thing isn't helping the designs either. Jax's evil/undead look is far superior to his living one. Shame.


Agreed. Seriously. And agreed.

Kinda bummed it seems that Jax hopped back on the SF train with ease, resuming his tired, old character.
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