Hmmm, should Shang Tsung get his morphs back from the 2D days in MK8 if hes in?
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posted05/15/2008 07:48 PM (UTC)by
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Well, just something I was wondering about of late and discussing with a friend on here who's looking forward to MK8 like myself.

Shang Tsung IMO should have his morphs back from the 2D days, I mean since there's no multiple styles anymore I think that was one of the main reasons why he didn't have them in the past 3D MK's he's been in MK:DA and MK:A anyway...

I'd like to see him morph into everyone with that time limit including the DC characters..

, On a side note:I'd also like to see MMH(Martian Manhunter) get some kind of shape shifting ability to use as a move or something should he make the cut. Of course we don't know yet if he'll be in it, but I'm sure Shang's chances are much greater at this point.

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04/29/2008 07:01 PM (UTC)
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Shang should get his morphs back. WIth the Unreal engin it may just be possible to do.
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04/29/2008 07:02 PM (UTC)
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I completely agree, Shang Tsung should be able to morph into the other characters as he used to. That was one of his trade mark moves. I thought it looked so cool during the intro of Shaolin Monks when he did it in 3D. I think it would be good if there was a simple button combination (or tap) to morph into your direct opponent and the usual combination for everyone else.
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04/29/2008 07:09 PM (UTC)
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Yes, he should. It's about time he got restored to his former glory. He was at his best in MKDA with Crane but since styles aren't to return, they could at least give him his trademark morphs back.
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04/29/2008 07:13 PM (UTC)
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I know that this is slightly off topic but without sounding completely idiotic, how do we know that styles aren't to return? Was this mentioned in one of Boon's interviews? I've only read it on here so I assume that everyone else has read something I've not.
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04/29/2008 08:19 PM (UTC)
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I think they Should. With the xbox's harddrive, it should be a reasonable transition between forms, however, someone on the site recently indicated that it's hard to do morphing in 3D because of the models' joints and what have you. Shaolin Monks did pretty well with it though.

They could, I think, use a Shang model, and when it's time to shift shape, instead of exploding into a cloud of smoke, a green, Intermediate silhouette (male or female shape depending on the character) and then replace the shang model with the chosen morph.

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04/29/2008 08:25 PM (UTC)
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You know this just made me think of a good way to incorprorate this into the story. I think that since the worlds are merging together it would be cool if Shand some how was able to morph into Batman or Superman and cause havoc or murder innocents. Then Superman or Batman would be trying to clear their name while thinking that everyone in the MK Universe is evil in the process
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04/29/2008 08:38 PM (UTC)
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It really wouldn't be ALL that hard... you can just use different textures on the player's model as he morphs that somewhat will match the player he is transforming into. At the same time change the opacity of the player model; as the new model transitions in, the old transitions out.... do that fast enough and it wouldn't look all that terrible. If it does look terrible, maybe add a puff of smoke or some shit. (I'm very confident professional 3D artists have better techniques)

That's how I made my gun transformations in a HL2 mod I was working on anyway... and it looked fucking sweet. I don't see why it wouldn't work with a player character...
(but then again players have a shit load more polygons)
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the only thing I could see stopping it would be how well the system could handle loading and unloading a character's information fast enough from the disk - unless its stored in the systems cache/RAM or possible temporarily on the harddrive... I don't know what gaming systems are like these days. so who REALLY knows?

I don't think joints would be all that much of a problem if they apply the same skeletal system to every character, and all that's required is to load a new set of animations for that skeleton - which would seem likely considering they did that before (except obvious characters like Moloch and Goro, etc etc). I know that's how they'll do it for KAF...
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04/29/2008 09:48 PM (UTC)
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i think they should bring his morphs back....it would be cool to see with the Unreal Engine 3 graphics
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TheOmniOni
04/29/2008 11:03 PM (UTC)
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This should be a must. I'm still iffy about the whole game, but if Shang had his morphs back I would be in line at midnight! I also wish they'd give his old man look back, or somewhere in between. Only his MK1 and MKDA outfits have been good and DA was a maybe.
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04/29/2008 11:18 PM (UTC)
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There was no reason to take it off in the first place. They say it was hard to do but it's possible and should be done.
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04/30/2008 12:07 AM (UTC)
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Interesting responces people, totally agree.

firesnake Wrote:
There was no reason to take it off in the first place. They say it was hard to do but it's possible and should be done.


It was taken out mainly for gameplay reasons plus they wanted to show us how Shang would fight with his own styles, with multiple styles and the way the last few MK's were done it's not as easy as 2D games(which every character had one style, not 3) and would have been glitchy especially during online play...

But yeah, I'm all for Shang morphing again. I'll play as him more if they do that.

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05/02/2008 03:15 AM (UTC)
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It doesn't matter to me, Shang Tsung isn't one of my favs. but the morph was pretty cool though.
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05/02/2008 04:32 AM (UTC)
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Shang Tsung has never been better than as a fully fleshed out individual, ala Deadly Alliance. If there's one universal rule MK should adhere to, it's to avoid all but the most logical of similarities between characters.
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05/02/2008 05:09 AM (UTC)
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Sure...

But I've always thought it'd be cool to see all his alt costumes in one game. MK1 or MKSM//MK2//Mk3-T//MkDa

And I agree that his MKDA interp was the best yet.
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05/02/2008 06:01 AM (UTC)
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I could see it now. Shang morphing into Batman. *Robin* Gee willikers Batman! you got a cloned you! Fighting you!
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05/02/2008 06:14 AM (UTC)
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I'm sure it would be possible, but the loading times would be horrendous. The game would have to load the entire roster every single time Shang fights, instead of just two characters. There's not a damn thing they can do about that.
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05/02/2008 06:15 AM (UTC)
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MINION Wrote:
I could see it now. Shang morphing into Batman. *Robin* Gee willikers Batman! you got a cloned you! Fighting you!

How can you goddamn tell? All these goddamn clowns who aren't actually goddamn ninjas look the goddamn same with their goddamn multi-coloured outfits! A goddamn mirror match?! Half of them are already the goddamn same anyway!
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05/02/2008 06:38 AM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
MINION Wrote:
I could see it now. Shang morphing into Batman. *Robin* Gee willikers Batman! you got a cloned you! Fighting you!

How can you goddamn tell? All these goddamn clowns who aren't actually goddamn ninjas look the goddamn same with their goddamn multi-coloured outfits! A goddamn mirror match?! Half of them are already the goddamn same anyway!

Thanks for taking the goddamn time, to tell me about all the goddamn things, that have the word goddamn in front of them. smile
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05/02/2008 04:54 PM (UTC)
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YES.
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05/02/2008 05:05 PM (UTC)
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To make me damn happy they should have a more powerful version be the boss. Have the boss version morph, have his soul steal move, single - quadruple fireskulls (like in the MK1 days),3d skulls, ground skulls, and spray skulls (mksm)! The game could be complete crap and I'd love it for that! The playable Shang would be similar to his MKDA move set, and if you meet certain requirements you can switch to Super Shang as a special unlockable. (yes the idea is from capcom and snk's "shin" version of characters, but hey midway has no problem using capcom's ideas)
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05/02/2008 05:34 PM (UTC)
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yh they should scrap all his moves and just make all his moves turn 2 diffrent people smile
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05/02/2008 10:25 PM (UTC)
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Its not like they just took his morphs away to take them, he couldnt do them because of the engine they had been using.
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05/03/2008 12:19 AM (UTC)
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YES!! Shang Tsung morphing during game play is what made MK2 even better. So many possiblitys when you play as shang tsung, It never gets old in MK2, you can morph into anyone and do anyones fatalitys, priceless.

So which MKvsDC this would be a must, since the roster is small it would be easy to do, it would add more fun to the game and you could morph into anyone to do different "finishing moves". I dont think shang tsung should be able to morph into DC characters though, not only is it gay but cause more pointless work for the MK-Team when they could be tuning in the game play.
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05/03/2008 12:24 AM (UTC)
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@The OmniOni, Midway was inspired by SF but other then starting off 2D didn't really use Capcom's ideas since MK had blood, fatalities, darker atmosphere etc

But your idea is interestingglasses

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
I'm sure it would be possible, but the loading times would be horrendous. The game would have to load the entire roster every single time Shang fights, instead of just two characters. There's not a damn thing they can do about that.


Well, you see that was another reason why Shang didn't morph in the recent 3D games because of the multiple styles, huge amount of characters in MKA mainly the load times would be horrible.

However, MK8 it next genre so it could handle it and there's not "that many " characters in the game 22 isn't that bad plus since they rid the multiple fighting style system I'd say it's possible.
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