You know, you're absolutely right. I completely overlooked that.


The normal human body is approximately 5-6 heads tall. Superheroes and comic characters are often 6-7, sometimes 8, heads tall, but that's usually for males and "hulks". Sonya here's almost 9 heads tall.

Sonya's over all design is awesome, but in all seriousness they need to go back to the drawing board and make this render over. Fix her hard face, and make her body proportional.

Not a whole lot of a big difference I gotta tell ya ^.

@ the shang dude, in which Queve quoted. Thank you, soo true yet sad at times.

O.O I see a huge difference. She looks filled out. her head fits her body.

But it's really not that big of a deal honestly...just a fast render, considering it's very good.

I think a lot of people pet peeve too much on here honestly about certain things but everyones entitled to their views.

We might just be sick of mediocre and are demanding something better. That's not wrong and it helps the team kick their game up a notch.

She looks ok but yeah the face is rough. But There will never be another Kerri Hoskins in my opinion I mean she was a babe

I don't think it has anything to do with peeving though man. It's more a "is it right or wrong" thing. Most all art can be improved on, and what better way to get feedback, than to have people look at it, and tell them about it?

Like I said before, I like this render, but that doesn't mean that there aren't still things wrong with it. Honestly, I didn't see the mis-proportion thing. But they (Garlador and WarriorPrincess) know better than me about that because of their talents. So I'm inclined to trust their input on the matter cuz they noticed it. It's not a pet peeve then, it just a notation for the MKTeam to notice these things too.....and fix it sooner or later.

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I'm thinking that they (MkTeam) either rushed these out for the sake of this particular game, or there's someone new working on them.

You see the thing is HOW much better do you want? lol it's a silly, little pic guys. Nothing to "ape" about....now if the "in game graphics" looked horrible, I wouldn't blame ya but this is nothing but a render, remember Midway/DC DOESN'T even have to release these that get praised as well as shitted on in the first place.

So when I hear this nonsense on here about "they don't care about the fans" that's BS to me because if they didn't, MKO among other sites wouldn't get the time of day with Boon, we wouldn't get renders and they wouldn't read any forums which they've admitted they do take a look at.

I mean I understand some people feel differently, but it's not like it looks like crap because it doesn't. Who wants a "playmate Sonya" who wants a "badass Sonya", who wants a "Sonya with not long legs..." gets tiresome after a while and honestly is trivial.

I don't hear many people in here complaining about "her boob size being too big" now why's that?.......... I rest my case



@ warriorprincess, I see what you're saying but there's a fine difference between trivial pet peeves and "flat out bashing" which is hardly constructive, whenever I make a new sculpture for me and for my friends/fans on here and elsewhere that love my work, I take the "constructive criticism" seriously, but "bashing or silly pet peeves", I ignore because I know the difference between both.

It's like you're dating a guy(assuming you're a girl with that name) and some girls like guys that have "thick hair" or "guys with hair period" but it's like a friend I know who won't date a guy unless he's built, has shaggy hair and is a rocker....pet peeves and very shallow IMO

Point is, people don't look at the big picture, they'd rather concentrate and bitch about trivial shit. Just my view and I've been an MK fan since MK1-now.
I see some fans cases/points concerning some of the renders, while others appear dare I say ridiculous? I mean, the whole time spent on that "flash's lips" was just ridiculous IMO, agreed? Someone else I believe on another site complained about "his eyes being green" instead of blue.....obviously a lot of MK fans have no clue concerning the different Flash's. I'm not saying every render of MK or any game for that matter is "perfect" because nothing is "perfect" however, some fans on here aren't pleased unless they get "perfection" in their eyes in which that's a demand too much for anyone. I've seen this with my artwork, with others artwork on here as well....yet deep down this is how I feel, everyone is entitled to their views but the question remains is this...if you had to make these renders, or a piece of artwork the same as the person your criticising or bashing, do you think you can do better? Not saying you per-se Predator, just the many fans on here that seem to bitch constantly usually are the same users that hate every render....I do disagree with ya on some of the "complaints" to me it's nothing more then pet peeves about trivial details. So in that sense, best to agree to disagree.

Not the point ^, point is if they WERE smaller someone would be complaining about her not being "big enough or woman enough".....and I know someone would because most people on here are guys. Her proportions are fine, she has long legs....not a big deal, I used to work with a few girls that were part time models, when they wore shorts or dresses they appeared "out of proportion or taller, but now they're not" just appear that way.

That's fine, I understand you have a few issues with it. Fine, my beef personally is just with the many "complainers flat out on here" that are the same general users that seem to bash for the sake of bashing, know what I'm saying? Just remember, render=not in game, just a concept of the same character.

It's probably just best to agree to disagree honestly, to me this is trivial. Sure it would be "great" if sonya render looked like Kerri in 3D but the fact of the matter is would you rather the Midway/MK team concentrated on more important issues such as the gameplay, actual game or worry about these renders that they indeed do for us fans?

How good enough do I want them to be? Well, at least as good as the competitors. No, scratch that. I want them better than the competition. I really do want MK to be the best fighting game on the market, but it's not. It's not even the best looking.

I mean, seriously, here is the Sonya render:


Here is a render of Ivy from Soul Calibur IV:


Which one looks better? Seriously now.

The IVY render isn't showing up. But I don't need to see it to know it's probably 10 times better than the Sonya render. Sometimes I often wish the Namco team had rights to MK. lol. I would love to see what they do with MK characters design wise. Namco's fighting installments have some of the most fluid fighting ever. but that's getting into an entirely different subject.
Nvermind about the IVY render. It's showing up now ^_^

Honestly, I'll go with Sonya. And here's why, for one I'm not "sold on mere boobs" it's nice, but not necessary as Pink has stated in the past, but won't complain either.

Also, the fact that Sonya has the thong line and see thru her shirt is ULTRA realistic. Have you ever seen a real life girl without a bra and tan/thong line?

I don't see that on the SC chick.....

Also, Sonya's costume is way more realistic and has more "character" to it while SC girls look like a bunch of fighting hookers....

Also, the Scorpion render looked insanely gorgeous. Despite who thinks otherwise, kind of hard to say otherwise and overall most people loved that render.

Ohh god hell no, if Namco got the rights to MK then I'd be pissed....they'd make every one look animeish..yuck, that's not MK not to mention it would lose it's darkness factor totally. All the namco girls look too much alike, half naked....so typical Namco honestly and predictable.

Tan lines and see-thru nipples are not apart of a good character model, just interesting texture work. A character could have realistic stubble, ripped clothing, long flowing hair, and a golden tooth, but if the character model itself is flawed, which I believe this Sonya render is, then it doesn't matter. Besides, I think I DO see some five o'clock shadow on our Ms. Blade.

A good character model should be proportionate and realistic in that regard FIRST. You shouldn't have elongated faces, man-jaws, oversized bodies, etc. That's a bad model. A very bad model. A bad model that was painted up very, very nicely, but a bad model regardless. Tan lines and nipple pokies are so secondary to the main character's design I don't even see how they could be considered a realistic "advancement" of video game character models.

And neither are girls about to fall out of their shirts either...but at least Sonya is how do you say? Secure....as oppose to the SC girls that are the opposite, of course it's a vid game so you won't see "anything pop out" but will see juggling.

It's fine, but if you're going to say the Sonya render is flawed then I'm going to say that SC render is flawed for the reasons stated above.

I'm not saying their boobs are flaws. Nor am I saying seeing their nipples are flaws. I find both offensive and tasteless, but I am a professional, paid character modeler. I do that for a living. For video games. And having spent the last 5 years studying the human form, I can say without hesitation or bias that the Sonya model is disproportionate. She's got some good textures (skin, tan lines, shirt + nipples), but as a character, her build is all wrong. I can also say that the Ivy character model, apart from the laughably sized boobs (but still feasible), IS proportionate. Her head is the right size. Her body is the right size. Her face is the right shape and size. She meets all the guidelines my art teachers and sculptors set during my classes.

It's not about how they're designed. I find both offensively oversexualized. But the character models themselves are where it matters.

I know that's fine dude lol, we just disagree more or less ha, ha. I'm just coming from the other side of the fence, being an artist and sculpting figures for people. I've not done much business yet online, but have sold offline in person. Pokemon, MK, SF among other creatures made up or canon character.

So, from an artists point of view I just feel that Sonya isn't more disproportionate anymore then the SC pic you posted. The SC girl has WAYY too big boobs, makes her body look out of balance and disproportinate way more then Sonya if you ask me, she's "too curvy" I know some girls are curvier then others but not that curvy lol.

So being an artist/sculptor myself I can relate, I do feel although all art is important a sculpture is way more important then a drawing/concept because you can actually play around and get away with a lot more in a drawing rather then a live bust.

Yea, the Flash lips outrage was a bit ridiculous...but, it was worth the notation though. If you look back at my post about it, I also mentioned it. Lol I just didn't spend all day harping over it. I didn't see it necessary to make a huge issue. And I really didn't see anything wrong with the color of his eyes...I mean c'mon? His eye color? Maybe they were too brightly colored...but that's neither here nor there. It's just eye color. lol

I'm more concerned with what I'm learning in school. Stuff that this 15yr old computer graphics - gaming company should have down to a science by now. Y'know? It should be a part of what makes them sooo good, and uphold their integrity as a lasting franchise. I mean, a faulty cutout? C'mon. No Midway...not even for interns is that acceptable.

To answer the question of whether I could do better if someone points something out to me, then it would depend on my education, and experience...well, and tools I have to work with. It does for any artist in that case though. And frankly, yea...Everytime someone doesn't like something I make them, I take it back, improve it to an acceptable liking for them...then give it back to them. Example?



That was my first good animation, second animation ever. And even though I actually do like QS(tb), she wasn't an easy customer to please. lol There were a few different versions of that thing before she felt it was "good enough"....and then, she took it, and edited some of the timing in the thing per, her talents, experience, education, and tools she has to work with. And so, I have no quarrels about that. She's at least satisfied with the end product.

As we know, there are countless others among us with work from me. Just saying that they must be satisfied. So, you should be able to tell I'm not taking offense to what you wrote...I'm just pointing it out.

As far as the pet peeves disagreement. I think that way because it's based on education. It's like, you can't learn what we're all learning from the same basic teachings, and still get it wrong. How do you do that? It'd have to be a talent issue(not paying attention to detail as well as the next graphic artist) or mis-education(didn't receive the correct information correctly).

So, if they missed that, we need to tell them that they missed that. Cuz it's making them look worse than the competition that they're trying to beat. Dig?

Wouldn't you want them to look their best at all times if you could say something that may help?

For Sonya, they messed up her face, and her proportions. It's just that simple. For Catwoman, they messed up the cutout. For Sub-Zero, they messed up his proportions. For Batman, they messed his proportions. For Superman, they messed up his hair. For Scorpion, they made his belt too big. And for all of them, they all share old texturing methods.

So what.

Just...know that we see it, and fix it. That's all I'm after.

I see what you're saying, I agree with the Flash lips overhyped nonsense. lol personally, I didn't think it was "too bad" but definitely overdone lol.

As far as the "people complaining, can you do better"? lol just note man, I wasn't really addressing you directly, but rather a general "challenge" to all the people that are always displeased with "every render" I mean even the better ones, someone will go out of their way on here to "rip" it.....that's why I feel a lot of people really are just "pet peeving"

Granted, I understand a good point such as yours for example among some others.....but there are as you can see, some people(much of the same users) that just say "shitty render, horrible blah, blah" know what I mean? I do believe there's those separate from the "constructive critics" especially if you can offer a good explanation behind it, as oppose to not(and pure hating) like some on here.

I definitely disagree with some of the critics of the renders, so far. Catwoman looks fine to me, Scorpion looks great(the belt is trivial and it's not like stands out like another mask or a huge boner) when he fights as you and I have clearly seen. Sub looks fine, I don't see anything out of wack honestly.

Sonya and Flash I have for the most part no quarrels with, so she looks pissed and has long legs...Flash, as I've said already IMO the critics were just silly.

So I agree with some of your points, just respectfully disagree with others man.

Sonya. Ripped, busty, and looking tough as nails! Not bad, but the face is pretty
damn hardcore. Perhaps I am one of the many who absolutely loved the "Kerri Hoskins" Sonya, and wanted her to forever retain that look lol. I'm happy that Sonya is in the game though.

Thanks everyone for the props on my redesign. I should work for Midway, but they wont let me because I'm better than them.

I like Midway's render but seriously have you actually tried contacting Midway? If you're serious that is.

Wow, all the hating. The original render is by far the best version of Sonya I have ever seen. C'mon, she kicks the asses of extradimensional interlopers for a living, how freaking feminine do you want her to look? Her face is just fine if you ask me, she looks like one kickass broad, without losing one tenth of an ounce of sex appeal. As far as her head goes, I'm calling creative liberties on that one, perhaps some of you have heard of it. It's like when what looks good takes precedence over realism. As far as I'm concerned, the unaltered image on the right looks ten times better than the swollen-headed one on the left. If you want that, play MK4 with big heads mode turned on. Midway's render looks apsolutely fabulous, which is not something you hear from me very often when describing their work on the MK series. All I have to say is don't change a thing on Sonya. Scorpion on the other hand....