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posted08/03/2008 11:28 AM (UTC)by
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It cracks me up when I see screenshots of Sonya fighting Superman. He could flick his finger and take her head off even if he's "weakened". At the same time, it's funny when I see screenshots of Catwoman fighting Shang Tsung or Sub Zero. They would easily destory her. What could Jax do to hurt Captain Marvel? CM could rip his arms off without even breaking a sweat. Superman could take Liu Kang's "flying kick" and it would probably break Liu Kang's leg. Just throwing out a few examples. Matchups between mortals are more believable: Batman vs. Liu Kang, Joker vs. Sonya, Catwoman vs. Sonya, etc.

I know it's a fantasy game, but the more realistic/believable something is, the better.....IMO.

I just can't get past the mass power the DCU has over MK.
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07/30/2008 06:25 PM (UTC)
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brinkie69 Wrote:
It cracks me up when I see screenshots of Sonya fighting Superman. He could flick his finger and take her head off even if he's "weakened". At the same time, it's funny when I see screenshots of Catwoman fighting Shang Tsung or Sub Zero. They would easily destory her. What could Jax do to hurt Captain Marvel? CM could rip his arms off without even breaking a sweat. Superman could take Liu Kang's "flying kick" and it would probably break Liu Kang's leg. Just throwing out a few examples. Matchups between mortals are more believable: Batman vs. Liu Kang, Joker vs. Sonya, Catwoman vs. Sonya, etc.

I know it's a fantasy game, but the more realistic/believable something is, the better.....IMO.

I just can't get past the mass power the DCU has over MK.




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07/30/2008 06:32 PM (UTC)
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Yeah, Sonya kicking Superman's ass is quite laughable, but Scorpion kicking Superman's ass is quite probable, seing as Scorpion can't get his ass kicked anymore than he did when he died.

Sub-Zero can surely kick Superman's ass, too. I think any skilled Cyromancer can.

Just as the characters of MK are, Catwoman is also superhuman. I don't know about Shang Tsung, but Sub-Zero will surely have a hard time defeating her.

Even though Captain Marvel sucks, he can just about kick anybody's ass, except for Scorpion's. Honestly, Scorpion is pretty much unbeatable.
no no no no no



you got it all wrong






superman's other weakness is magic.

magic somehow makes him incredibly weak










seriously though.. it really doesn't matter. it's a fucking fighting game.
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07/30/2008 06:52 PM (UTC)
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no no no no no



you got it all wrong






superman's other weakness is magic.

magic somehow makes him incredibly weak










seriously though.. it really doesn't matter. it's a fucking fighting game.



So if Captain Marvel is just as powerful as Superman and Captain Marvel is invulnerable to magic, how is CM not going to rip everyone to pieces? Just food for thought. I know it 's a fighting game. It's just a fun debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2BvSqqmidM
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07/30/2008 06:58 PM (UTC)
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understand their both from different realms
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07/30/2008 06:59 PM (UTC)
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Because it's a frickin video game. If CM is so invincible how can he have any enemies in his comics? What's the point of reading them if he is so unbeatable? Superman is weak to magic so that makes sense, but CM is indeed invincible. Another reason I hate the DCU: their characters are so godlike that there's almost no way to beat them.
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07/30/2008 07:08 PM (UTC)
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that is true cap. marvel is invisible remember he can be beaten not killed
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07/30/2008 07:12 PM (UTC)
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annilation Wrote:
that is true cap. marvel is invisible remember he can be beaten not killed


They said the same thing about Superman; he died four times.

Said the same thing about Raiden; he died by his own blast.

CM can die.
maybe mk characters kick more ass than we give them credit for
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07/30/2008 07:28 PM (UTC)
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I hope Raiden is in. MK needs some more godly powerhouses. Raiden vs. Captain Marvel would be sweet.
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07/30/2008 07:30 PM (UTC)
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mabdog Wrote:
maybe mk characters kick more ass than we give them credit for


There's no maybe for that one.
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07/30/2008 08:12 PM (UTC)
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Riyakou Wrote:
mabdog Wrote:
maybe mk characters kick more ass than we give them credit for


There's no maybe for that one.


There is no maybe. It's not at all possible The DC characters like CM, Supes, GL, Flash and WW are on a different level. That is why there is this "cataclysmic event" that somehow affects everyone's power levels.

There are some holes in the 'magic' explanation as others have pointed out. CM and WW for example are very resistant to magic, so magic shouldn't really affect them. I'm just accepting that some of this just won't make a lot of sense if you try to get very technical about it. There will be holes unless the story mode really deals with each character individually.
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07/30/2008 08:14 PM (UTC)
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thats what makes mk and dc unequal
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07/30/2008 08:21 PM (UTC)
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fong03 Wrote:
Riyakou Wrote:
mabdog Wrote:
maybe mk characters kick more ass than we give them credit for


There's no maybe for that one.


There is no maybe. It's not at all possible The DC characters like CM, Supes, GL, Flash and WW are on a different level. That is why there is this "cataclysmic event" that somehow affects everyone's power levels.

There are some holes in the 'magic' explanation as others have pointed out. CM and WW for example are very resistant to magic, so magic shouldn't really affect them. I'm just accepting that some of this just won't make a lot of sense if you try to get very technical about it. There will be holes unless the story mode really deals with each character individually.


In truth, magic has no concept in MK.

Sub-Zero is a Cyromancer, born with such power.

Sonya and Jax have weapons of the greatest technology.

Scorpion is a specter, enough said.

Raiden (assuming he's in) is a god, enough said.

Liu Kang was the prodogy of Bo' Rai Cho, the most powerful warrior to come out of Outworld.

Kitana doesn't even have special powers.

Shang Tsung's powers aren't really classified as magic, seeing as they are from a source of divinity.

Plus, no one's shouting SHAZAM!
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07/30/2008 08:24 PM (UTC)
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Riyakou Wrote:
fong03 Wrote:
Riyakou Wrote:
mabdog Wrote:
maybe mk characters kick more ass than we give them credit for


There's no maybe for that one.


There is no maybe. It's not at all possible The DC characters like CM, Supes, GL, Flash and WW are on a different level. That is why there is this "cataclysmic event" that somehow affects everyone's power levels.

There are some holes in the 'magic' explanation as others have pointed out. CM and WW for example are very resistant to magic, so magic shouldn't really affect them. I'm just accepting that some of this just won't make a lot of sense if you try to get very technical about it. There will be holes unless the story mode really deals with each character individually.


In truth, magic has no concept in MK.

Sub-Zero is a Cyromancer, born with such power.

Sonya and Jax have weapons of the greatest technology.

Scorpion is a specter, enough said.

Raiden (assuming he's in) is a god, enough said.

Liu Kang was the prodogy of Bo' Rai Cho, the most powerful warrior to come out of Outworld.

Kitana doesn't even have special powers.

Shang Tsung's powers aren't really classified as magic, seeing as they are from a source of divinity.

Plus, no one's shouting SHAZAM!



But they are saying "woogie woogie woogie woogie woogie" when they do a bicycle kick.....Liu Kang. Sorry, just had to throw that out there....lol
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07/30/2008 08:26 PM (UTC)
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ha! LOLgrin
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07/30/2008 08:33 PM (UTC)
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But they are saying "woogie woogie woogie woogie woogie" when they do a bicycle kick.....Liu Kang. Sorry, just had to throw that out there.


lmao!

Sure, but it's no magic word.
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07/30/2008 08:38 PM (UTC)
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if there gonna be characters that could match up to the powerhouse characters in dc like superman and C marvel we need raiden (like someone else said and shao kahn. i think shao kahn can take C marvel on

ps lol with the woogie woogie woogie woogiegrin
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07/30/2008 08:41 PM (UTC)
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I was looking for that video, thanks.

Other than that? Yea, we all know the concept of this game is silly. There are a couple high powered MK characters that could stand their ground, and even beat alot of the comic book characters (DC, Marvel ect) though. And in that respect all of the MK characters have a match up that makes more sense with other comic book characters than the ones that have been confirmed in this game.

Raiden vs Superman = stale mate. Neither "die" sufficiently. If you kill Raidens mortal form, he just.....stands right back up. And if we're talking celestial form for Raiden, Superman can't really fight a spirit, he's a brute force character. Superman can run pretty fast, but not faster than light//lightning. Raiden would likely beat him. But Raiden couldn't electrocute him enough to kill him.....even though Raiden doesn't have a limit to how long he could electrocute someone. Then, there's the matter of Superman being MORTAL. IF Raiden could electrocute Superman long enough...Superman should just dry up. Muscles need water (go over cook a steak to see what I mean). THEN, you'd have to consider which "Superman" we're talking about, because most of them have at lease a resistance to electricity. Means that it hurts him, just doesn't stop him. Some, actually, I think most versions of Superman are immune to natural hazards such as lightning too though.

Shinnok, Quan Chi, or even Shang Tsung should be able to take out Superman with relative ease though. Considering they're all necromancers. ( dark magic manipulators) However, it'd look alot like how Quan and Shang took down Liu Kang. All of them at once fighting Superman.


Raiden vs Shazzam = Raiden wins iMo. Shazzam doesn't ultimately control//produce lightning like Raiden does. Raidens the god, Shazzam's a really powerful human....essentially.

I can just imagine Shazzam screaming "Shazzam!" and before the bolt hits him, Raiden steals the bolt and kicks the kids ass. lol!

Okay I'm being funny, I still don't know (or really care) that much about Shazzam.
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07/30/2008 09:17 PM (UTC)
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i just put a thread out similar to this remember who had the advantage what almost all dc charaters had was stamina and the ability to fight until they die like with superman and cap.marvel they fight but never die
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07/30/2008 09:44 PM (UTC)
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Riyakou Wrote:<
In truth, magic has no concept in MK.


Perhaps, but Ed Boon disagrees with you. Listen to every interview where he tries to explain the power imbalance.
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07/30/2008 09:52 PM (UTC)
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fong03 Wrote:
Riyakou Wrote:<
In truth, magic has no concept in MK.


Perhaps, but Ed Boon disagrees with you. Listen to every interview where he tries to explain the power imbalance.


He's contradicting himself, really.

Based on bios, endings, and common sense, there is no magic. Well, maybe for Delia and Blaze, but that's it.
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07/30/2008 10:05 PM (UTC)
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Riyakou Wrote:Catwoman is also superhuman.

No she isn't.


Riyakou Wrote:
Honestly, Scorpion is pretty much unbeatable.

No. Technically, he can't die. There's a difference.


mabdog Wrote:
superman's other weakness is magic.

magic somehow makes him incredibly weak

No. He's vulnerable to magic...meaning, magic can be used to hurt him. It doesn't weaken him like Kryptonite does.


Riyakou Wrote:
Liu Kang was the prodogy of Bo' Rai Cho, the most powerful warrior to come out of Outworld.

Liu Kang isn't from Outworld.


Riyakou Wrote:
Kitana doesn't even have special powers.

Yes she does.


Riyakou Wrote:
Shang Tsung's powers aren't really classified as magic, seeing as they are from a source of divinity.

Yes they are. Sorcerer's use magic.


On topic....like others have said....it's a fucking game. If they did it "realistically" they game would be horribly unbalanced (even moreso) and idiotic. Suspend disbelief and accept that in this game, the MK characters are somehow capable of fighting DC's powerhouses and move on.
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07/30/2008 10:11 PM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
Riyakou Wrote:Catwoman is also superhuman.

No she isn't.


Riyakou Wrote:
Honestly, Scorpion is pretty much unbeatable.

No. Technically, he can't die. There's a difference.


mabdog Wrote:
superman's other weakness is magic.

magic somehow makes him incredibly weak

No. He's vulnerable to magic...meaning, magic can be used to hurt him. It doesn't weaken him like Kryptonite does.


Riyakou Wrote:
Liu Kang was the prodogy of Bo' Rai Cho, the most powerful warrior to come out of Outworld.

Liu Kang isn't from Outworld.


Riyakou Wrote:
Kitana doesn't even have special powers.

Yes she does.


Riyakou Wrote:
Shang Tsung's powers aren't really classified as magic, seeing as they are from a source of divinity.

Yes they are. Sorcerer's use magic.


On topic....like others have said....it's a fucking game. If they did it "realistically" they game would be horribly unbalanced (even moreso) and idiotic. Suspend disbelief and accept that in this game, the MK characters are somehow capable of fighting DC's powerhouses and move on.


First off, I never said Liu Kang was from Outworld, I said Bo' Rai Cho is.

Second, anything deriving from divine power cannot be viewed as magic.

Third, why are so many people thinking that MK characters do not match up to DC? This MK we're talking about! Not, Tekken, not DOA, not Street Fighter, but Mortal Kombat.
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