Common sense? Not quite. Shinnok and other's special moves imply some type of magic. It's not at the level of a full blown sorceress like Delia of course. Incidentally, her presence alone contradicts the claim that "there is no magic" or "magic has no concept in MK."

Well, you got me on the Delia part.

Keep in mind, though, that Shinnok is a deity.

MK characters match up well with characters like Batman, but not Supes, GL, etc. When Scorp, Sub and Raiden team up to move the moon, then I'll change my tune lol.

And as for magic in MK, I completely forgot about Quan Chi and Shang Tsung, both of whom are sorcerers.

Well, first of all, what "divine" powers does Shang Tsung have? Second, Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman's powers come from gods and they are considered magic.



Well, until an MK character lifts over 100,000 tons...something Superman, Wonder Woman, and Captain Marvel all can do...I think the MK cast is out it's league.

Considering his name means Temple Elder....
and besides his soul consumption is a curse by his gods or whatever, so henceforth it IS divine in nature. Such as the Great Deluge was divine.


For some reason I am reminded to a Amrvel cover where the Hulk holds 5 billions of tons as a mountain....and he is not happy.

Actually, Necromancy.

Prefix: Necro = Dead, Death, Dead Body, Corpse.

Suffix: Mancy = Divination: "Bibliomancy"

Sonya can fight Superman because boon stated that the more human MK characters have been elevated in power and by Sonya possessing special magical moves such as energy rings,this makes its possible for her to be able to take on Superman. And just a side note that probably has nothing to do with MKVSDCU, in MKA, remeber, the MK wariors are becoming more powerful as the years progress and it is them being so powerful that leads to armageddon.

Okay. Now explain why this would not be considered magic power?

That's not...I didn't mean to infer that it wasn't "magic". Just pointing out that is is a divine command over, or communication with, the dead.

He's a sorcerer, so I don't doubt that his power his magical in nature, but it's a sort of divine rite to do so. Same with alot of the roster actually.

Shinnok is a perfect example(god). Raiden(god) would be next up what with him resurrecting Liu Kang and all. Then Quan Chi(not a god, but possess the ability), then Shang Tsung(not a god, but possess the ability).

I just meant to point out that it is a divine power.

MK is chock full of magic, although it's debatable as to whether "fa jing" (fighting spirit/chi) counts as magic, but you could easily say it effected like magic in this context.

Besides sorcerors being magical, I think the weakening of Superman has more to do with the magical forces merging the realms. Everywhere will be bathed in magical force, weakening Supes.

But yeah, Captain Marvel is misfit for that explanation. I guess they can wing it since it's a game, but why bother explaining it for Supes then?

The MK characters are certainly superhuman, but not the same level as even some of the less prominent DC characters. And Raiden stands NO chance against anyone like Superman, Flash, CM, Lobo... Raiden lacks both the power and the speed to match these characters, God he may be. The Deception intro proves this - he's powerful but quite vulnerable. Possibly in order to effect events on earth, he must maintain a vulnerability due to physical form.
Of course, he can't really die, but that won't stop superfreaks flicking him with a finger every time he comes back. Though at that point, I guess the Elder Gods would be inclined to intervene.

EXACTLY! This is MKVSDCU, not SFVSDCU. They freaking made Capcom vs marvel which was waaaay less beliveble than MKVSDCU.

Here is a break down of all the mk characters so far in MKVSDCU and their powers:


SONYA:

She is an amazing martial artist who can throw magical energy rings and shoot deadly dust that can kill you. She's a good foe for any one and can take on Superman easily since he has a weakness of magic.


SUB-ZERO:

Martial artist. Has the ability to controll Ice and has perfected this ability throughout the years. He can freeze you without hesitation.


SCORPION:

Is a martial artist and ghost that can teleport. He can't be killed because he's already dead. Can kill you with his spear and has the ability to do alot of things with fire and can kill people by just simply letting fire blow out of his mouth.


LIU KANG:

The champion of MK. While he is more of a fighter, Liu has the ability to throw balls of fire and can transform into a dragon.


SHANG TSUNG:

A shape-shifting powerful sorcerer who is an expert at both martial arts and sorcery. He can steal your soul and also throw fireballs.


JAX:

A man with bionic arms who has unimaginable strength.


KITANA:

A woman who can kill you by throwing her deadly fans and also possesses the ability of the kiss of death.


Hmm, see, the MK characters are great rivals for DCU.

i miss the good old days when you wouuld come into the MK Forum here at MKOnline and all you would talk about was MK, now evvrytime i come here all evryone talks about is Captain Marvel this and Superman that, i still cant grasp the concept of how this is now a DC forum,

nothing against the game its just now all of a sudden everyone is a DC fanboy

I'm not. I hate DC with an enraged passion. Especially Superman and Captain Marvel..oh how I hate them..

BS

Raiden only needs to maintain a mortal form during mortal kombat. And as well, the BIGGEST "problem" with any MK character, is that they are not sufficiently defined.

Therefor, it is not at all unreasonable to assume that these characters pair up better than the obvious "power" they have and use in only MK games.

For instance, let's take Magneto(Magnus) from Marvel Comics

Not only does he have some power grid thing on him, but there is also a sufficient description of his powers, weaknesses, and overall capabilities. There is a sufficient "Profile" on him, so to speak. He's someone from the Marvel Comics that can absolutely be considered a "god" character. Just like Superman.

Now, let's look at Superman

Again, the same things apply, and he is also the same type of "invincible MORTAL character.

Now, look at Raidens:



How pitifully defined is that thing? How lackluster is that? And finaly, the thing is 15yrs old without ONE update?

Of course people are gonna think that MK characters don't stack up right. They're not as old(so we haven't been told near as many "adventures" as the comic book characters), and they haven't been broken down as well as the known Comic book franchises characters.

All this takes is a sufficient amount of nifty writing to fix, and people will think more about the comparisons like this.

I call that perception BS because Superman has terrible problems with God characters that oppose him(Darkseid, Doomsday, Braniac..ect). AND THEY KILL SUPERMAN.

Raiden is aged beyond the spectrum of time (eternal), and is a threat to every baddie in the MK universe. Just cuz it's Superman doesn't make that fact an exception.

Raiden would pwn the crap out of Superman...he just wouldn't kill him easily.

I'm a huge MK fan and I'm a huge comic book fan. DC has never had anything like this in terms of a fighting game. Captain Marvel has never been controllable. DC fans have been waiting for this for a long time and I think that's what brings out the DC fan in some of us and gets us pumped up for the game. There hasn't been multiple fighting games for DC like there has been for MK. MK is huge franchise but comics books, especially fabled DC superheroes, reach a much larger, global audience overall and comics have been around far longer. If it was MK vs Tekken, Tekken fans would be on here for example. It just comes with the territory. When MK9 comes out you'll see the vast majority of DC fans disappear from here.

its okay if you like both
i like marvel dc mk and tekken

Pred, we've already seen how powerful Raiden is in combat fighting for Earthrealm. Raiden clearly can't break physical rules if he wishes to fight on earth, otherwise he would have done so. Quan Chi and Shang Tsung overpowered him with difficulty. "The combined might of two sorcerors was too much even for a thunder God".

Now, because Supes is weak to magic you might assume that Quan and Tsung could take him on. Unless they had some pre-prepared magic trap like a portal to hell or something, they wouldn't stand a chance. Superman moves WAY too fast. He can travel at the speed of light. Sure MK characters can teleport but by the time they reappear they'll have a steel grip at their throat and they'll have to submit.

Superman could move from one spot, break all of Raiden's limbs, and move back to that same spot faster than the eye could see. He can travel at light speed and punch his way through a planet for cripes sakes.

Of course, Superman's power has varied a lot over the years. Golden Age Supes being the strongest, but even in his current form, he could own each member of the MK cast before they knew they were owned.

::First, In that MKD intro, they weren't on Earth, they were on Outworld, in front of Shang Tsungs soulnado.

::Second, The combined might of two already powerful necromancers, in direct contact with their powers source...should give a god some difficultly. I would be disappointed if they didn't.

::You haven't learned that nothing in Mortal Kombat is that "clear"(not to sound "offensive or whatever, that's not what I'm trying to do here.). there's only facts and non-facts. BUT, that's what I'm talking about concerning these types of match-ups. There's nothing clear about two mortals (albeit very powerful sorcerers) beating any god in the first place. Given any circumstances...really. That's as unclear an issue as we can get.

So, the fact of the matter is, Raiden can't participate in Mortal Kombat without maintaining a mortal form. Makes sense to me as an open-ended fact about Raiden. And, that's been clarified since MK1. And again in the MKD intro. Shujinko says:

.....defying the wishes of the Elder Gods, he (Raiden) alone challenged
Quan Chi and Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat.

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So, while I recognize Raiden lost the fight, there were conditions that should be taken into account.

Imagine Superman surrendering some of his "invincibile qualities" in order to be able to participate in some fighting contest....and there you go.

Simple logic in my book.



One thing that you're missing is how they over took, or out schemed the three biggest MK bosses, the MK Champion, AND thee God to beat in Mortal Kombat. They could do it.

Also consider who Supermans biggest foe is >> Lex Luthor (A human with no real "powers"). In my book, Lex and Quan Chi have alot in common....and Quan Chi is absolutely more powerful, AND arguably smarter than Lex Luther considering his undefined age and wisdom from said undefined long life.

It's not such a hard equation for me considering the kinds of characters we're talking about here, and their accomplishments.



Raiden is light! AND is a conductor of electricity. He IS the omnipotent ruler of the very same powers you're saying these humans have more of, than him.

That's a WRONG logic, based on Raidens mere appearances ONLY in a Mortal Kombat contest.

Look, outside the contest, Raiden is seen flying and everything else. Why is it hard to separate the circumstantially required mortal form during a contest, from what is absolutely possible outside that contest from this character?

As for breaking limbs and all that, it goes both ways if you wanna look at it like that. Cuz we don't have to be scientist to understand that a God is not a "weak" character. "Speed" is no issue at all for LIGHTNING. Nor is heat.

And lastly, about punching through planets and all that. Well, Shao Kahn can merge realms....and he's not even a God. I don't put it past Raiden to be able to accomplish similar feats.

I also wouldn't put it past Raiden to be able to:

1. Time Travel
2. Live in any hazardous conditions without any consumptions
3. Necromancy (he's did this)
4. Mind control (Magneto can do this too. Another "electric"//magnetic character.)
5. Body Jumping
6. Speeds beyond The Flash
7. Strength beyond Superman or the Hulk
8. Regeneration (he's done this too)
9. Invulnerability
10. Matter manipulation
11.- 20. More that I do not need to list right now because you should get the point...

But you see, putting it like this makes him seem "All Mighty" and Over powered right?

SAME AS SUPERMAN..period.

On top of this, Raiden's smarter, wiser, older, and a better fighter than Superman is. HANDS DOWN.



BS -- prove it.

The strongest character in any comic book, has a match in Mortal Kombat IF THE CONTESTANTS ARE CORRECTLY DEFINED.

Raiden = Magneto, Thor, Superman...ect ect..

Shinnok = Darksied, Thanos, ect ect...

Elder Gods = Guardians of the Universe, Gods, New Gods, ect ect..

And on and on and on....

People...dont you even listen?

Its not just “magical powers”, it’s the “MAGICAL EVENT" ITSELF! as well!

Its been confirmed that there IS a “magical event” that’s taking place in the worlds, and this effect is not only making Superman vulnerable, but also toning down the other god-like heroes.

Its not like they need to be vulnerable to magic to make this “event” make them vulnerable.

Its happening, something with the merge of the realms is making the “Superheroes”, weaker, its not just the “magical” powers (Spiritual, Chi, Sorcery, Godness, telekinesis, etc., whatever you want to call it), it’s the “event itself”.

That’s been stated for a while and its pretty obvious that’s how its going to work in the end.

Some characters with “magic” like Liu Kang, Shang Tsung, Sonya, Rayden, Sub-Zero, etc., already have an advantage against the powerful Man of Steel, but others like Kitana, who don’t seem to have any sort of magic, also have an advantage because of “this event” that’s helping to make the heroes weaker.

And if we get technical, we can even go so far to say that her “steel fans” maybe/could be “magical”, even though they don’t look like it. Jade’s and Mileena’s weapons look more magical, and do we even have to get started with Sindels “magic”?

We don’t even know the full story so its safe to assume there will be an explanation. Its not just Sonya’s energy rings against Superman, it’s the worlds colliding and the “magic” behind this as well.



By that logic, he can flick his finger and get rid of the entire cast in a second.





He doenst need to be vulnerable to magic to make this powerful event make him vulnerable.

Magic is beyond everyone’s comprehension...even the super-duper heroes.




But such power can tie itself to magic. Its not really that difficult to believe he controls ONE FORM of magic, not all of them, but one specific form, like almost everyone else does.

If they all were Harry Potter, well, they would be like Superman in his DC world.



Ed Boon has already confirmed that’s not the case. They don’t use any weapons for their “magic”, he called it their “Chi” and “inner strength”.



Magical might not be the word for Scorpion, but specter pretty much says supernatural, and supernatural has to do with a form of magic.



And “god” powers in fiction are also related to magic as well.



Same as Sonya, Johnny Cage, Jax, etc. They have their “form of magic” thanks to their “Chi” and all I said above.



We can probably assume her “steel fans” have some sort of magic. And even though that’s not likely, she has made people blow up by kissing them on the cheek. Maybe her magic hasn’t evolved? And remember, even though it seems she doesn’t have magic, she still comes from a “magical” realm and can have “magical blood” thanks to Sindel and all.

That, and the fact that this event is super magical itself.



?????

Sorcerer-----Magic.

Period.



LMAO!!!! That was great!



Exactly.

Raiden is maybe a god but he is a weak god.


It took a bad haircut and one Shao Khan's fireball to kill him in the mk movie

I have to respectfully disagree with most of what Pred and Queve have said.

It's impossible to comment on the believability of the story until we actually know what it is. It could be a lot more intricate than we think. And even if it does have some holes in it, that's to be expected. I don't think we can hope for too much accuracy here.

A couple of things though. . .

You can speculate for years about what someone like Raiden *might* be capable of doing, but until he is actually shown doing such feats, you really don't have an argument. The DC characters like Superman and CM are at a power level that NONE of the MK characters are. I think people are having a knee-jerk reaction to this statement and feel the need to defend MK. There isn't a need. 1. It's futile and 2.The power difference does not diminish the MK characters at all. One of the criticism that some people have with DC is that their characters are overpowered. That boils down to personal taste. As far as what the two sides have been shown capable of doing in their respective universes, some of the DC heroes are clearly in a different power level. And that's fine! MK is no less of a great franchise because of it. Trying to argue that Raiden is as strong as Superman is a bit silly really.

Queve, again I'll have to wait and see what actually happens in the story before I can really comment on this "magical event," but on a practical level it does not seem feasible that someone who is immune to magic would be greatly affected by a magical event. Magic is not beyond the comprehension of someone like Shazam. What I am betting is that, while the event is magical in nature, there are some consequences of the event that we do not know about as of yet. Just for example, perhaps as a result of the event, something happens to the pantheon of Greek gods causing them to lose some of their power or maybe even to retreat. This would directly affect Wonder Woman. The writing team can get very creative here. It would have to be one heck of an event to mess with the work of Athena and company!

But the most important thing I've realized is that it really doesn't matter! I'm excited for this game, as a fan of both franchises. DC heroes have not been depicted in a lot of fighting games, so this is a great opportunity. The geek in me is hoping for a really interesting and complete story, but in the end I really don't care lol. I just want to play!

Just a sidenote, lightning does not travel at the speed of light. LIghtning is not light, light is the byproduct of the superheated plasma during the discharge.

God - it means alot of different things in eastern mythology and use as an adjective. For example a very skilled person is often called a god of something. Example Raiden who was a sumo wrestler in Japan. And it is not uncommon for Gods to be bested by mortals in oriental mythology: ahem...

GIlgmesh myth, Amaterasu, Orochimaruu, Shiva-Kali, whole chinese underworld myth....

You people are assuming that God means the same level of importance, power and ability as out judeo-christian-islamic God. A Fatal masitake by logic.

In one sentence, my main point is, and the critical piece of the opposing argument here, is that Mortal Kombat writers have never defined a level to consider.

So, while I agree with all of your points, it is only to the extent of factual, given information per the character(s) in question....And on the MK side of things, there is very little "fact" to consider when you pit them against characters that have more factual, given information to consider. See that?

You don't "make a level system up" just because you know more details about the comic book characters. We NEED more facts about Raiden (and the rest of the roster) to conclude that "so and so from the comics, is on a level higher than _____".

Get me? haha..
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MK characters by tradition, have been purposely LEFT Inconclusive. Just like all the story elements in MK. There is no "that's the end of this chapter, here's the beginning of another chapter". There is only "Long Ago", "What is present", and "TO BE CONTINUED"....

So, with that said, speculation based solely on what happens while playing with the characters, and in little FMV's is what people are using to have the mentality that believes, "so and so from the comics, is on a level higher than _____ from MK's roster".


Which is an untrue stand point -- it's BS(ha!). In order for accuacy to happen here, the MK - people, need to write up competent profiles on the members of the MK roster, because this:

MK Profiles

along with a couple special moves, is all the information we really have on MK characters. While Marvel (right side of the page, scroll down for "Power Grid and Profiling") and DC (right side of the page, scroll down for "Powers and battle rankings") have power grids, and break-downs, and story after story that exploit the kinds of characters we read about. THAT, is virtually non-existent in MK.

From the comics, we get book after book, cartoon after cartoon, movie after movie, tv show after tv show, and all the merchandise over and over for years and years to DEFINE what these characters are about, and what they're capable of. While MK has had one cartoon, 2 movies, one t.v. show, and a handful of biographies, endings, and little FMVs....Lol! 80-95% of all this media is non-canon! Or inconclusive! Or just....missing haha!

But that's my point though. MK doesn't have a "level" system like that, every line that should be there, is all blurred and mixed for the sake of doing another game later. We might have one single hierarchy....but I'm still saying MIGHT = unsure what you could call it.

Now, none of this places them on any "lower level" of power or anything. That makes the possibility more feasible, that they actually could "stand a chance" and or kick the living crap out of the comic book counterparts. Cuz it's pretty much all mystified in the "unknown" except for a couple moves per character.

That's not enough to claim higher or lower of anything. That's.....as I said in the beginning of all this.......

BS.

That's why I keep insisting you prove that the DC character is somehow "more powerful" or on some mysterious "higher level"......Because I know, you will not be able to do so if you consider both sides accurately. Yep, most of us...are bias against MK by default because we know more details about the comic characters, than the MK ones.

lol

See it now?



I wish it were that easy man. I'll admit I made a definition-based fallacy. Lightning by definition is an atmospheric discharge. But, it is also the visible flash that accompanies the discharge -- by definition. So I wasn't wrong at all. I just didn't feel the need to prophecies.

As for the speed issue, YES, it does too. Light travels at about 180,000 miles per second, and so does lighting. All "light" travels at the same speed btw, I already lost that argument to my professor last week.

Side note as well -- Lighting, is approx 6-8 times the heat of the surface of the Sun.

Scientifically, hell logically, Raiden should not have one single problem with speed or heat. Especially considering that he is the omnipotent controller of the magnetic force itself. *shrugs* I'm still waiting to see when they realize something like this, and make it effect his moves in the games. Not holding my breathe though...



I think I've heard that from you before, and I don't mis-consider this. I rather, stick to the character(s) in question. And in this case...well, the character is actually a god. He's not a "super-human" in anyway. He's the conductor of massive electrocutions, gets killed, kills himself, and still lives on...= God. For the sake of argument at bare minimal.

Far as the "level of a God" concerning Christianity and all that, it's a safe assumption. It is a Western produced game, only influenced, not based in Eastern beliefs.

But that's not what I'm doing either, I'm merely talking about the character(s) in question, and pointing out the flaws in the argument at hand.

You'll have to point more accurately at the logical flaw, I guess.

Predator, no lol You make a very good effort, but no. lol

You are right in that there is not a similar feat system or organized power level in the MK world as there are in the comic book world. You cannot, however, use the lack of information given about MK characters as the basis of your argument and yet ignore the information that we do have about the characters. You may not like the fact that all the information that we have about MK characters comes from gameplay and their story endings, but that is the reality and it is unlikely to change.

You also don't need a well defined 'power level' to understand that the MK characters cannot compete with some of the DC characters in terms of strength, durability, etc. It's just common sense Predator. I know that you would like it to be more complex than it is, but I'm afraid its not. When you have the creator of the game admitting that they needed to come up with some type of 'event' that would make it remotely possible for the MK characters to compete with someone like Superman, it should be clear that the two groups are operating on different levels.

There is a lack of detailed information about the MK characters. However, do you have ANY reason to think that Sonya, Liu Kang and Jax could team up to move the Moon? No because there is nothing about the characters that implies they are capable of such a feat. Those are not the types of things MK characters do. We have enough information to know that. Do YOU get it? lol

They are humans, who are obviously gifted fighters with access to magic (or whatever you like to call it). They compete with characters from other realms, who we can agree are roughly on the same level as them, else they would not be able to compete against them. You can of course make special cases for the gods in the MK series.

The onus is on you to prove that the MK characters are on the same level as Supes and Co., when from what we have seen of the characters, it seems impossible. And you do not need some complex 'level system' to say that GL, Superman and WW are far stronger that Sonya Liu Kang and Subzero. I think the truth is that people *want* them to be as strong. My question is, why? I like Sonya, but I'm fairly confident that, under normal circumstances, a punch from Wonder Woman would obliterate her lol. She's just a human. Accept it and move on :)

Aaahh-ha....Thank you, lol. But now you generalize. I think it means you understand where I'm coming from(which is cool actually). So with that said...

I haven't ignored a thing. I've talked about the facts surrounding Raiden vs Superman, maybe 1 Shao Kahn, and some other comic characters references concerning the mere make-up, and sheer amount of information provided for their characters. But that's about it since this portion of the conversation started.

No, of course I don't like it that we have "lackluster" definitions on the MK side of things. But you agree that it is a factor....and that was my main point. So, just because it is unlikely to change, doesn't change the fact that the "levels" and abilities you guys are talking about are fictitious without more detail from the MK characters.

You see, it's not that it's an "unfair" fight (cuz it's nowhere near that iMo), but, it's that it's a default mis-perception, simply because we are more exposed to the more exploited, comic book characters. Their company is older, therefor, their characters have had the opportunity to take the time working out every little detail of their characters for every little situation....

However, this is NO excuse for the MK character-writers. They've had 16yrs to work these same issues out through the same outlets of media. That's more than enough time to flesh a character roster of 60+ out. But we don't even have the icons fleshed out. Story wise, back stories, sub-plots, power gauges and limitations, attributes and abilities, limitations...ect. Let alone all the circumstantial messes that have been created, and never explained.

Only has it been dismissed, to be continued, or disbursed from truth as non-canon information.



More generalization. Which makes this comment subject to "which" character(s) we are talking about at this point in time.

Again, just look at the MK Profiles that I posted. Those are from 1991-1993. They do not have ANY strength, durability, ANY "levels" to consider, and they are mortals just the same as the confirmed DC roster thus far. So, consider that this game allows all the attributes to match up. And the way that they match up, are based on the talents of the characters. Some of them pwn the DC characters by that logic alone..

- What is common sense without the basis of learning from facts? = Fiction.

- Of course I would love to see an updated, more complex Profile created for our icons -- at least. I've been asking for these things for some years now. Now is the perfect situation//opportunity to bring them up again! Ha!

- Or, that they need an excuse to bring two totally different franchises together enough for people to buy a goofy idea in the first place. I'm willing to bet that "power levels" weren't even considered in the construction of the idea for this game. That's why it seems like such a poor mask.

The concept of this game still isn't "clear", because, as we should all note, every interview asks the producers "Why DC?". It's cuz it doesn't make any clear, natural, or common sense. lol



Not exactly, we haven't seen them challenged in such a way -- like some of the comic book characters have been over the past 60 or so years. So, it's not at all a question of whether they are capable, it is a questions of....merit?

They're not protecting themselves from the Moon in anything I've bought from MK, they're protecting their Earth from an Alien threat. Just like MKvsDc implies.

Focus.



No, we don't agree there either. The only tangible issue is that all the combatants are mortal during a Mortal Kombat kontest. It's not even a rough estimate then either. Members of omnipotence actually loosing to "gifted mortals"? Even then its' not likely at all....but it's a video game so, what are ya gonna do eh?

I think there should be "special cases" for the God characters. Omnipotence doesn't mean "not beatable". One flaw, and an individual bright enough to exploit that one weakness is all it takes.....Like Superman and Kryptonite(okay, and magic apparently).



No, it's not. I'm the one opposing//disputing the bias mentality here.

All I've been doing is making the point, that by assuming MK characters are on some "level" beneath DC characters, is BS by default of an exposure issue. I'm not gonna fight up hill here. Most people do assume the latter explanation anyway. aheh..

- On the last point there, it's circumstantial based on the match up.

Superman vs Raiden would probably = stalemate (one is a god, one is god-like)

Green Lantern vs Ermac would probably = stalemate (one is a officer of the universe who uses his mind to wield unlimited power, one is the make-up of a countless amount of souls that uses his mind to wield unlimited power)

Wonder Woman vs Kitana would probably = stalemate (one is an assassin, one is a hunter, both very old, very powerful warrior princesses)

However, based on your choices of MK characters there:

Sonya vs Catwoman would probably = stalemate.

Liu Kang vs Batman would probably = stalemate

Sub-Zero vs ?? Firestorm maybe? Certainly not Batman like they have it. Especially unprepared like this game assumes.

You see what I mean anyway...