The guy in your sig is the bigger problem.


Oh yea, about Flash....For starters, *block*. Silly. lol

Lol true. But to tell you the truth, I haven't used Scorpion online yet, I have been using Kano.. hes pretty beasty.

i saw this post and i had to reply. first of all, i gotta say that playing online on the ps3, about 90% of the players on there are just plain garbage, and the person that posted this is just aweful at this game. if someone keeps spamming then just adapt! i bet this guy keeps insisting on playing the same character too. if one character doesn't work try another. also, you people complain that people are cheap, well, then, just answer no when the game asks you to play again, or keep playing that person and learn how to beat them. omg, i swear players online have no concept of high level play like mid and low mix-ups juggling just frames (that's pro moves for the scrubs) etc. i spam some times just to see how bad a player is and it's pretty funny. if the stat saving on the ps3 version weren't such crap i bet i'd be high-ranked...these guys are just aweful. anyway, if anybody thinks they're any good you can play me. my online id is rafacarmo. holler at me if you want some pwnage.

Scorpion isn't that tough. Flashes are the most annoying, especially since half of the people online use him lol

Are the "pro moves" really comparable to JF's? I have a hard time believing any MK would tighten timing to something like f,f+2:1 or mist trap.

Word.

Respect the Kano this time around.



Depends. I use Raiden pretty well I think.(if I'm allowed to say that without coming off cocky) There's only a couple of "Raiden players" that have been able to beat me with the same character (literally maybe 3 of them). But, there's a way some folks use Scorpion against my Raiden that I haven't figured out how to beat just yet. It's where they spam his teleport, and use his combo that starts off with a mid or low kick repeatedly.

I can, and do get around it often enough to give them a challenge for the win, but mostly, it gets me. haha...

Now, when I started out, I don't think this method was discovered yet. So I'd pwn the shit out of every-single Scorpion I came across, and get beat mostly by The Flash. Aheh...now it's reversed, with this new Scorpion tactic, and now that I figured out how to beat The Flash, I have just about 0 problems beating him almost every single time and all the problems with Scorpion.

This doesn't include people who simply use each character well, I'm only talking about the last little ratio of cheap asses that I haven't pwned to death yet. Lol!



By my understanding, yes. They look simple, but you gotta work for them. Raidens close ranged lightning blast hits twice if you do it right. A simple example is like; x,x,x,d,b,y,d,b,y (jab, jab, jab, blast+blast really frickin' quick.). One will hit close, one will hit kinda mid ranged, where the opponent will be once they're hit with the first one.

Otherwise, it just looks like a fake cancel on charging that same move,and the regular move takes precedence. There's a subtle aesthetic indicator (you'll notice a "bubble") complete with a little sound effect too.

To get it down, I'd spend some quality time in the practice mode. Or better than that, the combo challenge part of the game. In there, there is an indicator, an * asterisk *, that tells you when the pro move is feasible. Whether within the combo challenge you are attempting, or even if you're in there just fooling around.

Good luck. Some of them are tough for me.

The people that talk about playing to win are right. Off topic though but I wish people would stop saying MKA is unbalanced because it's not. Online, possibly yea if the connection is garbage. All characters can compete offline.

From what I understand, the timing is tight, but not like mist trap tight or anything. Probably more comparable to something like an EWGF command window where the timing definitely needs to be accurate, but not dead on a certain frame or anything.

Amusingly enough I played the fellow mention daleenquent and I put him at a fairly average player which means he's a god for online in general. Agree that 95% of players online are garbage.


Anyway TTT I'm surprised at some of your comments. M2dave and i discussed our initial impressions of the game and we both feel that Flash is broken and Darkseid is borderline broken if not broken. Personally I'm leaning towards broken on DS with flash being the only character who has a legit shot at beating him. Also going to say I think rage mode is going to end up being broken for a few characters. not like flash really needs an unblockable unduckable unavoidable way to combo you for even more damage but midway saw fit to give it to him in the form of rage. I'd have to test but I think flash can do 50% or so with a rage combo that can't be broken, ducked avoided escaped etc...

I can't comment on Darkseid since I've used him a whole two times and never fought anyone online who used him but I still feel that much of what the Flash can do can be maybe not negated but at least mitigated by efficient turtling. This is especially true when you look at Scorpion's self flame. It's certainly an uphill battle for most of the cast but I don't think it's everybody's worst match up.

What I'm honestly hoping for is something akin to UMK3 where everyone turns out to be broken in such a way so that effectively nobody is.

I know Superman has a 45% RAGE mode combo. The same combo is 30% when not in rage. The combo is only 5 hits too. I use it online, but don't see many people do it. Of course, hardly anyone I play is Superman. 90% of my matches are against Scorpion.

Yeah, I don't have the game anymore but for the week I played my matches were pretty much divided between Flash, Scorpion, and Sub-Zero. Once in a while I'd see a Superman, Batman, or Green Lantern. The rest were used sporadically. Though I fought only one or two other Captain Marvels and never saw even one female character used.

Darkseid has a point blank 50/50 of a low starter and a mid starter both leading to some pretty high damage easy juggles. Up close 1,1 dd4 or 1,1,b,f4 is a guessing game. You have to jump to avoid dd4 or you get hit with the unblockable if you jump and they guess right you eat the b,f4. mid-full screen he has his projectile which is DIFFICULT near impossible to jump on any kind of consistant basis on hit it guarantees a ground pound. so full screen he has a 50/50 too.

inner flame is always tossed around as a counter to the flash and I've seen it used countless times and i've never once come close to losing to it. Yes I'm that good but still I'm not that good. See what people don't know is flash can trade hits iwth inner flame leading to either the infinite or a nasty combo of your choice or he can flat out beat it with d3 and scorpion really has nothing to make you want to stand up when he's that close. Flash has no counter characters and he is almost every characters worst match up. Some characters have a worse matchup against darkseid and flash is darkseids worst matchup. Flash has a stupid long range low that is safe at a distance on block and unreliable to punish up close. He has a mid range mid that also leads to a juggle and you can do hit verification on the mid so its safe too. teleport beats turtles and range guarantees way too much damage and too hard to avoid flash when he's raged so get ready to eat some heavy unbreakable unblockable damage. with infinites he is for sure broken without infinites I'm still going for broken at the very least a tier of his own. The one downside with flash is if you do actual juggles he builds his opponents meter pretty fast.

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Pulled when I beat his Flash with Wonder Woman. Actually Vash, I don't know why you find the Flash-holes so hard to beat. It's really all gravy after the blocking.

I'd just like to point out that the starter of this thread is a hypocrite. I played him tonight and he used both The Flash and Superman's infinite. I quit on the infinite then challenged him again to a real fight. He used The Flash and lost to my Superman (mine = no infinite)

Learn to play the game not the glitch Vash.

superman is indeed broken. there is absolutely no way you can get out of his ground pound pro move if the spammer keeps it going. i find myself the pretty good player with raiden and i've only been able to best superman spammers about half the time i play them. I've found the only way to beat a superman spammer is to spam him back and pray to god that you land all the pro moves.

as for flash, he isn't broken. i can beat just about any flash with raiden. all you gotta do is duck and uppercut. the reject will keep on trying to do his specials, and you just sit there and uppercut the crap out of him. i have ran into a person who did a flash infinite on me however, but i was able to get out of it and beat him in the third round.

bottom line:
superman needs to be patched
flash is just tricky

Agreed.

But, I've beaten all but a handful of Supermans too. I torpedo alot more when I play a Superman that spams.

- Flash has a learning curve, but once you get him....you can pretty much beat every Flash. A good Flash will spam + play the high//low game with you. Before I took the rental back, I could only beat this one kid once. Guys name was OG Flash or something...I had a time with him, but he's just a good player. It was fun, no complaints.

flash is really hard with sub cuz all his moves involve a forward or back. so when the flash runs in the opposite direction, all the directions change


the flash is easist with scorp. All u gotta do is put yourself on fire, since the flash is the only character w/o a projectile. Once they start keeping their distance, do the other fire special move or use the spear to get a nice combo

BCO315ID. Starts spamming Jax's infinite ground pound when he loses. Yeah, Jax needs a fix along with Superman, apparently.

I ran into a Jax ground pound spammer, I was able to beat him but was more suprised that he resorted to that since up till the point of him loosing it was a good match.

Literally every fight I find online is against a Flash or Scorpion. Now, I'm a Joker player. I plan to become as good as possible with him. Flash special spamming isn't that big a deal since besides blocks I can use the joybuzzer (which is alot of fun to watch spammers run into literally 10 times in a row without catching on.).
The problem I'm running into is against Scorpion. He'll sit in the opposite corner and spear/fire spam. If I take the time to throw a projectile he just teleport punches. Now if this is supposed to be a hard match for the Joker that's fine but I literally can't find a way around this. If i'm just stupid and am not seeing an obvious tactic please tell me.
For certain matchups to be difficult for one side is expected. For them to be impossible is a broken mechanic.

yeah, i also played vash and he's pretty cheap and spams alot. he didn't infinite me but played very cheap nonetheless. i sent him a messege asking if he was the guy who posted this thread and before i could say anything he admited to being a sore loser and that he resorts to playing cheap when he loses. also on our last match he disconnected before the last blow hit his character(which i hate more than cheap players).

(a.)Walk in 360 degrees, (b.)block low, (c.) then high. Tough to do at first, but you'll get it.

If he stays far away and does that teleport, just do (c.)

Don't forget to use your rage at the appropriate times too, and whatever you do, DO NOT jump in a match with him either. Even the asshats know to that if you jump it's an easy shot at you.

Anyway, after you block, step towards him first in order to get a combo off. What'll happen is, he'll start spamming the shit out of that teleport, followed by trying to get his combo off over and over. It chews up alot of your life bar to do it that way, and is just a good strategy for a Scorpion player. You shouldn't be mad at him//her for this though.

But, this is how you handle a good player like the guy I mentioned. But it still will be tough. I play with Raiden though, rules could be a little different with the Joker.

Jax doesn't have an infinite... quick recovery, jump, punish.. Simple as that.

Uh, yeah he does, actually. When spammed over and over in a specific fashion, his ground pound doesn't allow for ANY recovery time. Thus, infinite.