This is cool! I cant seem to get on gamespot.com tho, are there new screens on there?

Thanks for posting!

EDIT: The site finally works for me now. the screens look awesome, im so impressed by the graphics and detail of the backgrounds.

Seriously, that would have been, like, the best trailer ever. I can see it in my mind's eye.

Cue for BOOM, HEADSHOT!

Character models look great, particularely Scorpion. Big step up from the MKDA-MKA models.

Really like the clothing damage aswell.

I say eight should be playable, Sub, Scorp, Flash, Batman, Superman,Sonya and two brand new ppl.

Exactly! Also, boon said "the heroes that doesn't kill "that often" hmmm...so some DC heroes might have fatals. I think the game will end up having an M, I bet you it will.

and ThePredator151, will you get off the stupid renders? That is sooo trvial. You all worried about a freaking render and not the game itself that just shows you know nothing about video games and should never create one.

Now that I've finally been able to load gamespot to look at the pictures... WOW! Color me impressed. A few thoughts:

I really don't know what it is but Scorpion looks much much better in-game than he did in the render. He looks like more of a brawler, but I can't tell if it's just my imagination (too busy at work to look up the render). Regardless, I'm happy that the design translated well into the actual game. Hopefully the same will hold true for Subby.

Batman looks like a straight-up badass. I'll definitely be playing him. The render definitely appears to have been deliberately lighter than the in-game character model (as was discussed previously). I'm interested to see what type of specials he'll have (presumably he'll make extensive use of the items in his utility belt). The in-game damage looks incredible, much better than the goofy blood effects from MKDA. I really really hope that each of the cuts/tears corresponds to an individual powerful hit rather than each character having different total-body "states" of injury (if that make any sense).

I can't imagine I'll be playing with Superman or Flash very much, but I do like the graphical effects on their special moves so far. Not terribly impressed with either of their models, but then again I was never a fan of either. I'll admit that it looks like the MK team faithfully recreated them.

I admit that I share some posters' feelings of being misled about the fatalities (I know the MK team never made any official statement about it, but I don't think Boon's being very fair in his characterization of fans that thought there'd be no fatalities in light of what he had to say about it prior to this interview). But I'm glad that fatalities are in, even if they might be toned down a bit (that might not be a bad thing, given how over-the-top some of the recent ones were). All in all, I'm happy. Good job, MK gang.

Thank God! Since Fatalities are actually in, I feel much more at ease about several of my concerns--namely, it looks like they wouldn't be against us hitting the boyscout in the nads...

...I'm just sayin'...

NO. I will not "get off" the presentation of any form of entertainment I consider spending any amount of money on. Like I said, the in-game stuff looks good. But if something looks bad to me, I'm gonna say something. Renders//Graphics, Gameplay, Story, or anything else.

What is significant or not to me doesn't concern you(obviously), so I'd be nice if you quit mis-interpreting what is trivial to me, and look at the links in my sig before you say something so absent minded and overall ridiculous.

Hm....to bad there isn't a picture to visualize how much you FAIL. lol


EDIT: No wait, I found one...

lolz

You don't spend money on renders dork.

He's more concerned that the renders look shit, because if they can't even make those look good, there's little chance that the game will look better.

He just said the game looks great, so please fall back sidekick. Also, one guy makes the render while a hundred makes the game.

Superman's hair looks better in the game than in the render! lol..
scorpion's gonna snaps flash's arm, like his grab in mk4

True and good point, besides a fatality is a fatality. I remember when we got them back to one in MK:DA, some fans liked it but I also remember reading how some "bitched about how stupid they felt some were" so in that sense some MK fans are never please....also....so this whole Fatality nonsense IMO was BS from the start concerning "some fans hating MK cause of the early news" yet I've only said countless times. The game ISN'T FINISHED YET!!! Things are subject to change, I mean some people were acting as if this game came out in 2 weeks....but that's obviously not the case.

And another point I want to bring up elaborating further more on what TTT said, did you guys know that MK for SNES and Sega was rated T? Yet got away with a lot of shit for that time period, but of course now we have the ESRB rating system which MK among a few others caused way back anyway so now it's a bit more "tricky" and as Boon said a few times now, pushing the envelope concerning the T rating.....I wouldn't mind seeing Raiden's grab and shock but instead of exploding, perhaps the guy will burn to a crisp and have blood leak from his body. It's boarderline T/M rating IMO.


And on what Queve mentioned earlier, I honestly did get the vibe Boon but in a polite way was a little annoyed at the fact that "some fans" made some pretty dumb, false or jump the gun assumptions such as "No FATALITIES, OMG, this isn't MK" Midway/Boon just so the people that hated the "Finisher" idea know, they NEVER EVER confirmed or said there would be NO FATALITIES to begin with. All boon said was that due to DC character don't expect "over the top ripping heads off fatalities" for the time being there will still be "finishers" that's it, he NEVER said "We are sorry MK fans, but MK8 will have NO fatalities ever and that's not going to change" please quote Boon where and when he said that because he never did.....

I honestly don't blame Boon for saying so or if he was a little annoyed, I mean I'd probably be a little annoyed myself for reading so many inaccurate assumptions based off little info honestly. But also glad to see he read most likely a few of my posts among other "objective MK fans" since he pretty much quoted some of my posts "Nobody's played the game yet, how do you know" I've must have said that god knows how many times...

Just bringing up the fact that Boon made good points with "assumptions" on both accounts. Granted, he admitted that tends to happen sometimes with very little info, but at the same time that's just the reason why you can't make "assumptions early on" because we all know why it's dumb to assume..... then again, the MK fanbase is like that, a lot of the fans like to jump the gun but now that Fatalities and Brutalities ARE confirmed, hopefully some fans will back off with the hating, disapproval etc. Interesting post but want to step in here concerning a few things, granted Mk being one of the first games to start up all that controversy and causing the ESRB rating due to Joe Liberman bitching about MK.....caused a stink, and that controversy worked in MK's favor. However, MK's gore, fatality bit might not "have the same impact" it did years ago, but still gore, blood etc especially with these newer, better more crisp realistic looking graphics WILL still raise and turn heads with people. MK is still one of the most gorey, dark, nasty, gritty games out there regardless and easily the most bloody in the fighter market(as always) so if MK say in MK8 or MK10 were to want to rip off someones head, or slice someone in half....people will go nuts if the games rated T or E, trust me lol. That's M right there, the whole GTA thing was blown way out of proportion. For one the graphics sucked and looked cheesy with the sex/hot coffee incident and secondly, it's also rated M like MK so ultimately in that sense they're the same since if MK or GTA were rated A, that would hurt sales....more so if it were rated M or T. But in a game like this, like you said and Tony. I agree, they can do some nasty things and most likely get away with the T rating if they push it, just don't expect to see anything exploding, decapitations etc because that would be crossing the line.

1. Really?

So graphic artist aren't paid for working on the game?

WRONG.

Their salary starts out somewhere between 40-90 grand a year. Yes, Graphic Artist...Now, calculate 16years of experience and employment with the same company, over the course of a continually successful franchise....They deserve to be informed, they need the feedback.

2. I don't spend money on being entertained? Is that what you're saying?

WRONG again.

If they fail to entertain, they do not get paid for their work.



I said I like it, I said it looks good. But don't over shoot your mark.

And NO, it's not just "one guy" making the renders while a hundred makes the game." That is the single most ignorant thing....

Anyway, a good render trades hands on the editing table alot(go watch a Pixar behind the scenes show, it's very similar to what they do.). A couple people might do the pencils, then one or so people add basic coloring, then someone else may add some effects, and screw around with the lighting and so on. Another person, though it may be one of the previous individuals, go in, and add other effects, and textures. And in the last bit of the process, the render is treated so that it fits into the game's coloring, lighting, and overall theme. This process can be less complicated with newer technology. i.e. "modified UE3".

Since you mentioned it, THESE renders look like maybe one person did all them. lol Which, makes them look bad. Even though I understand that there is more of a process to them.

But the point is, they NEED to hear somebody say that to them. Or see it from a fan on a game forum in order to stop making them look like that. haha..

The bit about "hundreds make the game" is stupid as hell. Imagine the budget with 100 developers, over 2-3 years, at an average salary of 50grand a year alone. LMFAO. If my math is right (100employees x 2-3 yrs x 50,000$ per year, per person )That's like, 180million$ on employees salary's alone. Games would never see the light of day.

There's probably 20-(maybe)35 core developers there. But you gotta pay the marketing team too, and the distributors, and advertising...ect ect. Then Matt Bootys' (Midway Interm CEO) got to be paid to do his job with the parent company.

Now, even though there's no order to how I wrote that, all those people make the game "a product". MAYBE 20-35 are making the game.

And just when I thought you couldn't FAIL harder....

Few things to say:

1. I am very surprised at how much attention they are giving towards the feet of all the characters. To me, its seems like fighting game developers have never took the time to concentrate on this critical part of character renders/models. In the new screens on gamespot and the renders that have been released, you can even see the detail of the ankle, and in some cases, their toes. Its nice to see that they are starting to pay attention to one of the most important parts of the body, the foot. Out of all the characters we have seen so far, I am most impressed with the feet of superman. Second, i would have to say, goes to scorpian.

2. Now i know this might sound silly, but I do think they should be a little more reaslistic with the hair. In the screenshot of scorpion holding the flash's arm, there is not one strand of armpit hair on scorpion. Although its not such a great deal, i feel like it would be somewhat dissapointing to fans when scorpion pulls of this move, hairless under his arm.

3. I have noticed that batmans eyes are pure white in his render and in the new screenshots. I actually think this is a pretty cool feature of the character model and probably shows more of a "bad-ass" side from Batman. However, I feel it would be necessary to maybe mention why his eyes are all white during story mode. It wouldnt be a big deal if they didnt mention it, but i think it would probably be best to not leave any holes in the games story.

On a totally unrelated note, Ninja_Mime's sig has made me realize that I hope there's at least one cyber-ninja in the game.

He's dead and on occasion engulfed in fire. Once it was burned away the first time I doubt it can grow back.



That's how his mask has always been:

http://www.testriffic.com/resultfiles/6099Batman-color.jpg

http://www.fathead.com/_landing_images/land-Batman.jpg

http://www.kingscomics.com.au/catalog/images/prodimg/img390.jpg

They just can't do it in the live action films.

Good point and I do agree overall just slightly disagree with armpit comment but I'll get to that in a sec lol, I also love how this is the first fighting game in the current next gen notice to actually have ripped clothes, busted masks, missing garments etc, scars etc. Which also very much impresses me, and like you said I like how realistic they're taking the whole limb looking approach. Notice that one shot with Flash punching Scorpion, and Scorpion counters him. He looks literally like he's grabbing Flash's arm and about to counter realistically. That shot blew my mind lol. I was like wow...this is for some reason one of my fav in game shots thus far.

I also love the fact that apparently Scorp has his oldschool leg take down move again or a move that looks close to it against Batman(who was fucked up btw lol)

On your Scorpion underarm view, I can respect that but also just want to note that he is an undead ninja. If you noticed via his render his face is literally bone like(not like a living human) so if he has no underarm hair I really won't care since he's undead and who's to say undead people have hair when they come back lol. It's a trivial matter honestly lol, I honestly myself don't care about armpit hairs LMAO....I mean, next thing you know someone will be bringing up someones "bulge" in a tight suit or Sonya having implants....cause she's a little bit bigger

As for the story, way too early to tell obviously since we don't know anything yet but I think Midway/DC will cook up something cool honestly. And I love the fact that in the past couple of MK games in general, the adventure mode isn't pointless or horrible like some other fighters out there and actually explain the events of the storyline within the game itself. But then again, Midway's MK always had a storyline and DC is all about story so this is to be expected.

I agree totally ^ just what I was saying concerning Scorpion, but concerning Batman I also agree...they could CGI his eyes white or put in contacts but IMO that would look kind of dumb. For comics, cartoons and vid games it makes sense, for live movies...not so much lol

they actually reconsidered! i prayed for this! thank you boon...oh and sorry about the threat i made a long time ago...i was just like everyone else when they found out about mk vs dc

Is it just me or Scorpion is doing MK2's Scissors Kick??

mkflegend:
I honestly don't blame Boon for saying so or if he was a little annoyed, I mean I'd probably be a little annoyed myself for reading so many inaccurate assumptions based off little info honestly. But also glad to see he read most likely a few of my posts among other "objective MK fans" since he pretty much quoted some of my posts "Nobody's played the game yet, how do you know" I've must have said that god knows how many times...!QUOTE>

He read and quoted your posts in the interview? Really? Let us not get ahead of ourselves, young grasshopper.

Boon didn't sound annoyed at all to me in the interview, though I can understand if he felt that way. He handled it quite diplomatically nonetheless. When you put as much time and effort into a project as the MK team surely have, I wouldn't fault them for wanting us to wait and see before spreading unfounded negative rumors (and no, I'm not all about that and that has nothing to do with critical analysis of what we've seen). But he also made sure to stress many times in the interview that he is pleased that MK can still elicit strong reactions from fans and that he understands the concerns. I think that's important to note.

As for the whole nobody's-played-the-game-yet bit, you're right of course, but the internet's really putting a stop to the days when a game company could simply announce a project, put out a few select interviews with paper game magazines, and release the game. There's a lot more communication between fans and developers now (as it should be). We take for granted these days that we can get friggin' video clips delivered to our PC in seconds. And I think the MK team in particular has done a great job in reaching out to fans (with Fight Nights, Q&A sessions, fansite-exclusive content, and now podcasts). And for better or worse, all of this new information and this thinning of the barrier between consumer and producer brings with it kind of an expectation of our opinions mattering. I think in some ways the MK team has brought this upon itself by being so open with us. I just don't see it as a bad thing is all.

Hell, for all we know, it could be because of the "haters" and their "bitching" that we have fatalities now. The man himself said he listens to and cares about the opinions of MK fans in the interview- is it really that hard to believe? Yes, we'll get to really judge the game when it's out and in our hands, but if we have any sway over the opinions of the MK team (and it seems we do, at least to a certain extent), why wait until it's too late to do anything about it if we see something we don't think we'll like?

This is one of the reasons I love the internet, the fact that this kind of discourse is even possible. This shit absolutely fascinates me. The internet turned Trent Reznor from a scary, larger-than-life music celebrity into a geek who blogs, bitches people out on NIN fan message boards, and distributes music digitally. I love it.

Who knows man lol. He could have read another fan similar to me, but I have said that a lot lol. I hope he read some of my posts though ha, ha. I post a lot on here as do others.

I see what you're saying now that I think about it and read it again a few times I don't think Boon sounded "pissed" or anything, but definitely firm on his view to put this whole "OMG fatalities gone" nonsense to rest lol. Yeah, he covered pretty much "all kinds of MK fans" his best quote though IMO was "MK fans never cease to surprise us" or whatever lol.

As for Fatalities, well it's like I was saying earlier. At the time(TTT also covered this) with the early and FIRST announcement of MK8 and the whole ESRB system and DC's involvement, I think Boon was playing it safe honestly...and a lot of fans took the whole "finishers" as a "OMG, NO F-ing Fatalities?!?!?" and Midway never really 100% confirmed that, especially since the game still has some time until release date. Right? And we all know in ALL games, movies things are always subject to change. I mean, I remember when MKD and MKA vids from Midway were first up, lots of things changed. Character animations, parry animations, character styles, select screen etc, etc....and that was at the time E3 which had a good amount of coverage, so I guess that's why I personally felt that it was a little ridiculous for some fans going on about countless rants, fatalities etc off a little 14 second teaser and little info lol.

Which Boon also covered in saying, he was surprised to see so many false assumptions made as well. So, he really covers all points of views in the inteview.

You also brought up a good point concerning Midway with the Chats, interviews, MKO exclusives etc which is another reason why I'll be honest, sometimes some fans on here bother me with the "ripping Midway or Boon" because it's things like that that prove that they reach out to the fans, care otherwise would they do so? They don't have to take the time to chat with fans, Q & A, chat with MKO etc you know, but they choose to which I like. Other companies don't even do that you know? Midway may not be perfect, nobody is but I do believe honestly and agree that they do care about the fans. The challenge is "pleasing ALL of them"

In the second question Ed Boon has this in his answer: If anything, the intensity of their reaction has inspired us to make the game even better.

My reaction: Makes me feel they were going to half ass this game and hope it works.