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10/01/2011 11:51 PM (UTC)
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fedegita Wrote:
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If its anything like the legacy series then im not looking forward to it.

I loved the first film for its popcorn yet semi-serious approach to the franchise.



That's the thing, why would anyone expect (or even want) a movie about kung fu monster sorcery to be anything other than a popcorn flick?

MK just isn't as deep, intricate or serious as a lot of fanboys want to believe it is.


It isn't Inception, Microcosm, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Microcosm, Baraka (excuse the pun), Ghost in the Shell, Evangelion, Doctor Zhivago, etc. I definitely agree that MK is MORE story, not necessarily DEEPER than most games.

OH, KUNG FU, SORCERY THOSE THINGS CANNOT GO TOGETHER WITH A DRY AND DESOLATE SETTING.... please....

Do your wu xia homework and watch something aside Enter the Dragon from Hong Kong cinema. Pererably titles like Boxer's Omen and Dreadnaught.

Either way, the fandom is undeserving. Be thankful, very thankful that the NRS crew managed to crank out a competent game after 5 tries, and that the movie industry still wants to milk this franchise.

And personally, Scorpion in Legacy HAS ALOT more common with MK1 and 2 than the insectine idiot who forgets or does not care about whom he has to avenge. As cheezy as MK1 was, that is still more closer to a ninja than the recent G. I. Joe characters are.

Simple logic. something that works well in a game will look stupid on screen. Suspension of disbelief varies dependant on the medium: in this case your console+tv set, and the big screen.


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10/02/2011 12:21 AM (UTC)
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Garlador, as always, well said.

@fedegita

Smh. It's ignorant thinking like that that keeps the Mortal Kombat films a big fat JOKE in the eyes of the general audience.

This is where people are confused. I'm not expecting for this to be extremely deep with Oscar winning writing and Julia Roberts as Sonya Blade.

We know what this is. Mortal Kombat will indeed be a popcorn film as you stated. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with popcorn films. I can't get enough of 'em. HOWEVER, being a popcorn film doesn't mean you must sacrifice good acting, deep character development, brilliant writing, beautifully choreographed fight sequences, and amazing cinematography. In other words, a "popcorn film" can also be a GOOD film.

Why not give it a try? We have a brilliant director with a unique style, why not take the risk and let him take MK beyond the barriers the '95 and '97 films set in place?

You stated that MK isn't as deep and intricate as us "fanboys" think it is, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what you or I think. It's what Kevin thinks. And if he believes his vision of MK is "deep" and "intricate" then why not let him demonstrate so?
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10/02/2011 12:46 AM (UTC)
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Its gotta be rated R. Needs to have the darkness of the first movie, but without the campiness.

I want Marielle Jaffe to play Kitana

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10/02/2011 02:15 AM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
I definitely agree that MK is MORE story, not necessarily DEEPER than most games.

Exactly. Tancharoen, and a lot of fans, think there’s more to the MK story and characters than there actually is, which is why the super-serious-let’s-have-no-fun-with-this webseries was just so silly, dull and awkward.

MK doesn’t have to be a joke just because it’s got martial arts and sorcery, but if you’re not willing to have a bit of fun with it, should probably look for something else to work on.

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Being a popcorn film doesn't mean you must sacrifice good acting, deep character development, brilliant writing, beautifully choreographed fight sequences, and amazing cinematography. In other words, a "popcorn film" can also be a GOOD film.

Good. I honestly hope the movie gets treated like this, because Legacy sure wasn’t.

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And if he believes his vision of MK is "deep" and "intricate" then why not let him demonstrate so?

Because he already did. And it sucked.
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10/02/2011 02:34 AM (UTC)
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@fedegita, No he didn't. This movie won't be connected with Rebirth or Legacy. Those were simply stepping stones. This will be his true vision. His true test.

But as Garlador said, there will be people bitching all the way to the theater and all the way home. You're more than welcomed to be one of them.

I'm done. I won't sit here and try to convince a grown man to keep an open mind. I'm not your mother.
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10/02/2011 02:47 AM (UTC)
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I'm done. I won't sit here and try to convince a grown man to keep an open mind.


If seeing a director fail nine times in a row and getting excited about his tenth attempt is "open minded," then I'd watch out, because your open mind might be letting your brain fall out.
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10/02/2011 02:56 AM (UTC)
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fedegita Wrote:
ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
I'm done. I won't sit here and try to convince a grown man to keep an open mind.


If seeing a director fail nine times in a row and getting excited about his tenth attempt is "open minded," then I'd watch out, because your open mind might be letting your brain fall out.


I think you're too focused on trying to come up with jaw dropping "zingers" than you are with understanding what I'm trying to convey to you.

No where did I say you should be excited. Neither was I suggesting you be. I'm just suggesting that maybe you can walk into the theater with neutral feelings instead of going in ready to hate it. That's all.

That's being open minded. Pretending to get excited all because some guy with a Rain avatar on the internet told you too is not. The fact that you would even assume that makes me think it's your brain that is in danger of falling out.

But as I said above you're a grown man and I don't intend on arguing with you. You said your peace, I said mine. Now leave it alone.
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10/02/2011 04:04 AM (UTC)
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fedegita Wrote:
ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
I'm done. I won't sit here and try to convince a grown man to keep an open mind.

If seeing a director fail nine times in a row and getting excited about his tenth attempt is "open minded," then I'd watch out, because your open mind might be letting your brain fall out.


Here's the part where "personal preference" kicks in, and where your opinion, as entitled to it as you are, and as valid as any opinion goes, is in the minority.

See, like it or not, the Rebirth trailer was VERY popular. How popular? It was viewed over 10 million times, with additional other uploaders also getting millions of hits for the same video. The video was successful enough to get Warner Bros. to commission 9 online episodes to further see how popular this would be and gamble $2 million on an untested director based on an old video game franchise in the untested medium of online web episodes.

And, like it or not, MK: Legacy was ALSO very popular. It received over 50 million unique viewers, was very well liked by the masses, and was deemed a huge success by Warner Bros. I'm curious to see how DVD sales will be, but for an online webseries, it's currently one of the most successful in history.

So, like it or not, a new MK movie is happening from the same man that did the other two, and, well, when it comes to "like it or not", MOST people, as in several million of them, DID like what they saw, asked for more, and kept coming back for it again and again. Even if you're not sold, millions of others, myself included, are, and that's the mark of a successful stab at this franchise.

So, in regards to Kevin Tanchareon, sorry, but he hasn't "failed" on the MK front yet, not when his work thus far has been well-received beyond all of Warner Bros., and his own, estimates.

In other news, here's another link and interview I found interesting.
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10/02/2011 05:01 AM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote: I'm just suggesting that maybe you can walk into the theater with neutral feelings instead of going in ready to hate it.


Are you going into the theatre ready to enjoy it?

If so, how am I any different to you? Maybe you're basing your thoughts about this movie on the fact that you enjoyed his previous work, while maybe I'm basing mine on the fact that I didn't like his work. You're doing the same thing as me, just in the opposite direction. If I'm closed-minded, then you're equally guilty.

I'm not going to hate on anyone for liking Legacy or Tancharoen, it's a matter of opinion. But just because I don't have the same expectations as YOU do, doesn't make me closed-minded. It just doesn't make me as optimistic as you. Be a grown man and accept a difference of opinion.


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Here's the part where "personal preference" kicks in, and where your opinion, as entitled to it as you are, and as valid as any opinion goes, is in the minority.


Believe me I agree, and am aware 100% that what I think about this movie is just my opinion and is in the minority.

When I say he failed, I mean he failed to draw my interest in him as a filmmaker and his 2013 movie. One person doesn't make a difference, but that doesn't mean I'll hold back from saying I think Legacy sucked and Tancharoen sucks. I don't like how he thinks MK should be done on the big (or little) screen. And so I don't have high expectations for his movie.
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10/02/2011 05:11 AM (UTC)
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fedegita, no I am not going in "ready to enjoy" it. Nothing is known about the film at all. For all I know it could turn out to be a stinker. So I'm not going in ready to enjoy it. Nor am I going in ready to hate it.

I'm simply keeping an open mind and waiting until I hear further developments. The fact that I enjoyed Legacy is an added plus, but it's not changing my "we'll wait and see" opinion on the film.

You're hearing- "OMG! You need to be 100% on board with the film and worship the ground Kevin walks on!".

I'm saying -"Give it a chance. Don't make any determinations until you've seen it".

So no...I'm not doing the same thing as you.
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10/02/2011 06:15 AM (UTC)
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Here's my MK cast:

Mortal Kombat

Directors:
Kevin Tancharoen

Screenplay:
Oren Uziel (screenplay)
Ed Boon (co-creator) &
John Tobias (creator)

MPAA: Rated R for mature thematic material involving intense sequences of fighting/violence, language.

Tagline: Choose Your Destiny...

Plot Outline: An ancient tournament where the best of the best from different Realms fight each other. The goal - ten wins to be able to legally invade the losing
Realm. Outworld has so far collected nine wins against Earthrealm, so it's up to Lord Rayden and his fighters to stop Outworld from reaching the final victory.

Main Cast
Russell Wong ... Raiden
Rain ... Liu Kang
Matt Mullins ... Johnny Cage
Katheryn Winnick ... Sonya Blade
Jason Statham ... Kano
Ken Watanabe ... Shang Tsung
Byung Hun Lee ... Bi Han/Sub-Zero
Ian Anthony Dale ... Scorpion
Ray Park ... Reptile
Jon Foo... Ermac
Ken Lally ... Goro (Voice)
(Goro Should Be CGI)

Cameos
Chow Yun-fat ... Bo' Rai Cho
Tony Jaa ... Kung Lao
Michael Jai White ... Jax Briggs
Luke Goss ... Quan Chi
Ray Stevenson or Dolph Lundgren ... Shao Kahn (Post-Credits Scene)
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10/02/2011 07:27 AM (UTC)
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Can there be a good Mortal Kombat movie? Yeah. Is this going to be one? Nope.
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10/02/2011 07:54 AM (UTC)
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MonkeyBanzai Wrote:
Can there be a good Mortal Kombat movie? Yeah. Is this going to be one? Nope.


Did you watch the movie already? Nope.
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10/02/2011 09:04 AM (UTC)
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MonkeyBanzai Wrote:
Can there be a good Mortal Kombat movie? Yeah. Is this going to be one? Nope.



This.
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I'm definitely not interested in this crap. I'm positive I'm still going to prefer the first two movies.
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10/02/2011 02:57 PM (UTC)
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all im looking for in this movie are........

Good CGI not shitty Syfy movie channel CGI

If there is a sequel they dont recast characters

characters arent killed off every five seconds

the fights entertain me im taking a shot at the second movie there because the only fight i enjoy in it is Smoke vs Kang


a good cast

realistic but still fanasy like THAT IS ACTUALLY GOOD example: not like the crappy Chun Lee origins movie.

satisfies my inner MK geek by that i mean I dont leave the theater feeling ripped off.

I enjoyed Legacy but if thats the movie plot please add a bit more characters like Smoke,Goro,Kang,Kung Lao,etc

And please PLEASE PLEASE!add Dan at the bottom at least once saying TOASTY!!!!!! grin
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10/02/2011 06:41 PM (UTC)
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daryui Wrote:
MonkeyBanzai Wrote:
Can there be a good Mortal Kombat movie? Yeah. Is this going to be one? Nope.



This.
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I'm definitely not interested in this crap. I'm positive I'm still going to prefer the first two movies.


The fact that you would prefer Annihilation over ANYTHING makes your entire post moot and shows that you are indeed 15 years old.
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Mortal Kombat 3 --------------------- 7.5/10
Mortal Kombat 4 ----------------------- 6/10
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10/02/2011 07:32 PM (UTC)
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If this movie isn't exactly like the game in every way possible, then is it going to be shit
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10/02/2011 08:50 PM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
The fact that you would prefer Annihilation over ANYTHING makes your entire post moot and shows that you are indeed 15 years old.


How about we stop being a dick and let people have their opinions, thanks.

As for the movie, I'll try to keep an open mind, but Legacy isn't making that easy. A lot of crap in that series.
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10/02/2011 09:42 PM (UTC)
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Cool I am really looking forward to this.....

BUT!

Please don't do the "realistic" take like Mortal Kombat Legacy. I thought it was well made but it just was not what I wanted from Mortal Kombat. I hope they go for the feel of the games. Very dark with large elements of fantasy, because no one plays Mortal Kombat for it's realism. And hopefully the director can pull off a successful film...

Wait it's the guy directed the Fame remake? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!


You're going to be EXTREMELY disappointed if you're looking for something exactly like the games. I can see you not digging Rebirth, but not at all liking Legacy? Legacy was what a film adaptation of Mortal Kombat SHOULD be.

I'm not saying everything Legacy did was gold(Raiden in a mental hospital? Da fuck?) but the overall atmosphere was absolutely perfect. It was dark, evil, nasty but still retained all the mystical and magical aspects of the games. How can you be against that?

I'm sorry but I just don't get why people want a direct transcript of the game instead of a unique and innovative take on the property that could appeal to a broader audience. Oh yeah, that's right, it requires change and we know MK fans hate change, even if it is for the greater good...


Oops I meant to say Rebirth my bad. I agree that Legacy had some very good episodes and I did enjoy it...mostly. But as you said there were in fact some moments that were just strait up out of place, such as Raiden in a mental Hospital.

I just hope that there aren't any moments like that in the new film.
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10/03/2011 02:29 AM (UTC)
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Here's my MK cast:

Rain ... Liu Kang


I always thought Shang Tsung could play Liu Kang better than Rain, but it's a matter of opinion I guess.
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10/03/2011 02:41 AM (UTC)
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I hope this doesn't become another "Never Back Down 2" - they wanted that to go to the theaters and released it straight-to-DVD... or worse... this becomes a made-for-TV movie, even if it did have to appear on HBO or Starz or something like that!
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10/03/2011 08:27 AM (UTC)
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I think that if they can find a good medium between Rebirth and Legacy, it's going to go over well with everyone in general. Looking at the reaction from everything KT has done so far, there's 2-4 types of polar opinions to appeal to. Hard Rebirth fans, hard Legacy fans, and then there's the hardcore MK Game fan, and the casual MK fan watching.

Kevin has done a great job thus far, even if it's just the fact that he's been able to erect those opinions and make them visible BEFORE a big screen attempt. That data, if their paying as much attention as I think they need to for this production, is vital. Is anyone looking at it from this perspective?

Here's my understanding of each type of the aforementioned fan:

1.) Casual Mortal Kombat Fan:

Most important customer. As long as the movie is "cool" by today's standard of movie entertainment, and things in the movie relate to what they got from MK9, these folks will eat it up and come back for seconds and thirds.

A Mortal Kombat movie for these folks might want to think about elements or qualities from the most recent, most popular, and most successful movies in the last 3-5yrs or so. Qualities in a new MK movie will need to behave similarly enough to stuff that other successful movies have in them, yet be different/new enough to escape that ol' ripoff label.

Fight Scenes - Look at any recent movie with Jason Statham, Tony Jaa, and though I think he's fading in the general populus' mind now, Jet Li. Older movies than 3-5rys ago, and you mind as well just take your pick. But I think you still have to confront the heavy hitter movies LIKE Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, and The Matrix though too. You still have to deal with the standard that those movies set with this general MK fan because, they don't know how to accept anything else, really.

I think KT and team have a good grasp on this part though. They got the job done with a skeleton of a budget and minimal time already so, I'm actually excited to see what else they come up with given more money and time. I'm not worried here, but don't believe they have any space to slack.

Action Scenes - The casual fan has ADD, are we clear on that? So, they're going to HAVE to pay attention to movies LIKE Transformers, 300, The Incredible Hulk, and others. But, I think since we understand how ADD works, there's going to need to be fighting, or somebody doing a special move (great CG, or SFX), somebody chasing someone else, or something exciting happening ever so often in the new MK film. You will not keep our attention without it.

Drama & Suspense Scenes - I'm talking those scenes where most information is transferred between the characters in the film, and to the viewer. Trust me, I know alot of this stuff can happen in simultaneously with the other qualities going on in the movie. But, I'm saying that when the film does slow down (and it will), let's try really hard to stay away from painfully obvious ad plugs, or over-campy references to the game. Be creative here, sneak stuff in there, and give the actors something worthwhile to do during the dry-er parts of the movies.

I also don't want to see that bs where suspense is being employed, but all that is really accomplished is the characters are becoming dumber by the second. You've got clans, military, and other factions like that -- that need communication at their center in order to be effective units of operation. I'm very tired of seeing movies where information is not transferred between the characters. And it always seems to happen during the dry-er part of the movie...yeesh.

Anyway, I think because movies like this one is heavier on the action and fighting, films feel that there is not a need to write in quality material in these spaces. Bothers the shit out of me... Movies to look at in the last 3-5yrs as per Mortal Kombat-esk for drama? Batman: Dark Knight, The Fighter, Robin Hood, I am Legend..etc etc Suspense? Paranormal Activity, No County for Old Men...etc etc Yes, there's more, and probably better choices than these but, I'm merely looking to pinpoint a direction.

Horror/Gore Scenes - The casual fan is almost desensitized to this element now. So, there's almost nothing effectively "new" that this MK movie is going to do... However, I believe there is ample opportunity to be as inventive as they want to be here. And I think people will accept alot more of it this way because of what Mortal Kombat is about. Casual fans kind of expect it anyway. Movies to look at are obvious then. The SAW series is still relevant because of how inventive they were/are when they kill something. "Insidious" is good...."The Mist" is cool. And on and on...

2.) Hard Core Mortal Kombat Fan:

Essentially, we NEED our Mortal Kombat movie to express the ideals and themes in the game almost to an explicit degree. So, don't go pulling that shit where some actor says the name "Sub-Zero" the wrong way completely or whatever. I don't wanna see Scorpion in a blue vest...dig?

Our understanding of how other mediums misconstrue content allows for the movie producers to fudge or change things maybe 5% out of 100%, but we are extremely critical when it comes to the 5% "we allow you." lol We can accept variations of those ideals and themes but, put too much on top of it, or take too much away from it....embellish too much or not enough, and we will crucify it.

Not going to do the movie thing here like I did with the casual fan section because there's no need. We don't want "other movies."

To follow that I'll say this; as a hard core fan, I see that everything you need to make a good MK movie is in the game. Can you? So to me, it's only really a matter of how the producers choose to use what's already there.

Good thing Kevin is an actual, maybe even hard core Mortal Kombat fan himself. He's in tune with the games content, and has a good enough tab on the pulse of the hard core MK fan demand.

3.) Rebirth Mortal Kombat Fan:

Sorry guys but, Rebirth fans look alot like our typical n00by to these MKO boards. Like alot of us here, I've been around the MK sites long enough to have seen the same behavior from different people over and over (no matter what country, race, or creed you're from either), and now I just accept their perspective as a way that some of the new folks genuinely feel and behave. I understand is all I'm saying really.

So, these folks are hotter in temperament, and love the blood, gore, fights, and fatalities. They like the flashy stuff, and radical new ideas like what was expressed in the Rebirth pitch. Nasty, gritty, sticky, disease-ridden Reptile, and they appreciate "Dr. Baraka" with the dreads because he was different, and such a savage at the same time (irony? Jeckel & Hide complex? idk ).

This crowd doesn't generally have an over abundance of knowledge when it comes to the story element in Mortal Kombat. If they do, they don't appreciate it so much because hey, it's just a fighting game....it's not supposed to have a super serious story element. Let's just fight, right?

More of the flash and glamor (shock and awe) gets these guys going more than reading between lines and understanding the relationship between say Shao Kahn, Raidn, Liu Kang, Kitana, and Mileena. Y'know, they care but....they really don't give a shit. lol!

The thing I'm not quite sure of on this one is that this fan is also modern. So, I'm not sure if actual "flashy stuff" is the right terminology to use right there. Dark & Gritty might mean the same thing artistically to these folks.

4.) Legacy Mortal Kombat Fan:

Legacy fans are more like the typical veteran hard core MK fan who knows every single little thing about Mortal Kombat for no apparent reason whatsoever. Moreso, Legacy fans seem alot more inclined when it comes to Mortal Kombat's story element, and we are kind of able to tell where an embellishment should probably happen. We already know where the plot-hole or the retcon is...we're just watching to see how the producers deal with it//fix it. Further than that, we're watching to see if they're going to take care of it like we might have.

Being more like the hard core fan listed above, we're not going to allow the producers very much room to play around with here. Even though we recognize the need to fill the void is pretty desperate. It's to the point where, if you know what I know, you'll probably make a similar decision as I would. Which makes sense, even if the path you take is different than what mine would have been.

More specific, Legacy fans are the Story Element Fans, or people who play for the story, mood, and feel of MK. The lore, the sub-plots, and so on... they are the MK Comic book reader, and know the difference between what happened in the old MK Cartoon and the live action MK T.V. show...etc.

Collectively, we could probably write the script for the movie, and we probably (indirectly) shaped what happened not in Rebirth, but in Legacy. We pretty much told them what to to have saay Sub-Zero & Scorpion dressed in...how they should talk and behave, and what sorts of things they might say.

Think about it. Xaihoudun84, RazorsEdge, Chrome, Sub-Zero7th, Garlador, Zentile, and on and on and on... we told them what to do with it. I think that maybe some of the liberties that KT took were the things we either loved or hated with Legacy.

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All in all I think as the producers of this movie, they'll have to look at this quality about the fans and use that information to their advantage. Y'know? We're going to give them the movie, they just have to have their ears and eyes open, and spend the budget and time getting those things done.

Hope this rant helped!
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10/03/2011 10:11 AM (UTC)
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As always, nicely stated Pred.
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10/03/2011 01:07 PM (UTC)
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I'm kind of torn. I will keep this short.

In one hand, I have my infinite love for the MK canon. Everything we argue about and debate from day to day based on the original story and whats fact and whats not. Ive come to love it far beyond anything else about MK.

In the other hand, a fresh re-imagined MK with the rebirth/Legacy approach. Although Legacy was loosely based on some canon or things we are familiar with. I suppose thats the better phrase.

Case in point. I honestly don't believe a movie based on the original MK canon can be as theatrically successful as a gritty re-approach like rebirth. Knowingly placed outside the canon, it offers more room to be free and artistic with something we would be accepting as "not our real story, but for fun"

When it comes down to it. I am just excited to see the return to the big screen. And as it is, Paul Anderson is really the only person I would have picked over Tancharoen. But that in itself is a bad move seeing what Paul is doing with the RE series. I suppose I should take into account how utterly furious I am at the direction he took the movies. Little or no respect for canon or the games I care about. Which should, but for some reason isn't reflecting onto this situation. I should be defending canon to the end.

Tancharoen knows more MK canon than any other person fit for the job unless I am completely wiffing on another name. I think we are going to get something "in between" per say.

All being said, MK getting a return to the big screen, if done correctly in whichever direction they choose, will have my full support and will only be evaluated and reviewed as a singular media launch, not in comparison to any per-determined list of expectations or hopes based on my being a fan of the games media presentation or canon sequences.

Congrats to MK and to Kevin. Can't wait.
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