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01/22/2007 11:37 PM (UTC)
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Cool, that was actually pretty neat, definatley not what i was expecting
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01/22/2007 11:41 PM (UTC)
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Raidens to me is more interesting now than ever before. Before I could give a ratts ass about him because he was so boring save earth follow the rules but now he would do anything to save earth relem i like this anti hero thing
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01/22/2007 11:44 PM (UTC)
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One thing I'd keep in mind about this bio, ladies and gents -- while Raiden may appear to know what he's doing, we still don't have all the answers (e.g. we don't know why it happened, if it was caused by someone and if so was it on purpose, etc.)

Though this appears to eliminate any possibilities of a 'stunt double' or 'replica' Raiden like there was with Shao Kahn, he still might be under mind control or at least be influenced by some unseen force - if not The One Being, then perhaps Onaga, Shao Kahn, Shinnok, Havik, some as of yet unknown member of the Houan, or even just the 'living aura' of Outworld itself.

While this bio completely solves the mystery of Liu Kang, the story of Raiden hiself is still a big question mark. Maybe one of the next couple of bios will shed some lightning on this situation!
Edit -- also, I didn't really like the whole 'went to war with the Houan' storyline; this seems to be indicating what Raiden meant in the MK4 intro when he said he was "responsible for the death of an entire civilization". Up to now, it always made sense that he was referring to the Zaterrans/Saurians as stated in Khameleon's MKT story; now it seems he was actually responsible for the deaths of two civilizations!
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01/22/2007 11:45 PM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
Why would Raiden's bio explain his corruption and what went wrong? Did anyone think that he simply isn't aware that some evil force tampered with his resurrection and is making him crazy?


I guess you could be right, I just hope it gets explained somehow. But you'd think you'd notice that you're suddenly suiting a new black outift, glowing red eyes, and trying to kill allies. lol
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01/22/2007 11:46 PM (UTC)
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Nah, man. The Houan are new news to us all.

Though they are not original to Mortal Kombat. I've heard the name too before - I think they're from real Japanese mythology. But I might be wrong.


At least to those who had no subjects such as Ancient cultures which invovled ancient China, heh. A few associations came up in my head in an instant.
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01/22/2007 11:49 PM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
PsychoFight Wrote:
Nah, man. The Houan are new news to us all.

Though they are not original to Mortal Kombat. I've heard the name too before - I think they're from real Japanese mythology. But I might be wrong.


At least to those who had no subjects such as Ancient cultures which invovled ancient China, heh. A few associations came up in my head in an instant.


Oh, here comes Chrome with his incredible smarts! lol Could you give us some detail about the Houan if you could? Perhaps they could play a part in MK8?
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01/23/2007 12:04 AM (UTC)
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I'm a Dark Raiden fan and I love this bio.

I like how he, unlike so many other characters, is aware of the betrayal. I can't wait to read Shinnok's bio.

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01/23/2007 01:18 AM (UTC)
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I think Raiden won't be fully capable of being Earthrealm's protector ever again seriously.

Folks, all I have to say is Fujin is your new and most likely(at this point in the series anyway) the new official protector of Earthrealm, just Fujin and Kung Lao.No more Raiden-Kang saving the world.These two have both been corrupted a bit by darkness.

Raiden is acting very ......different would be appropriate for sure.

I don't want to say "evil" because if he was truly evil then he wouldn't give a rats ass about Earthrealm, nor wanting undead Liu Kang to wreak havok on those who harmed Earthrealm.


I see Raiden as a Vigilante honestly, I mean look at his bio, his newer character and all.I'd like to think of Raiden as not perhaps that goody, goody Superman kind of character anymore where he ALWAYS played by the rules.

This newer Raiden is Raiden since he knows what he's doing, but making his own rules...yet NOT putting Earthrealm in harms way, just having a very aggressive and darker nature about it.

Still, Fujin and Raiden won't get along the way things are going.....


Im a HUGE fujin lover. And tbh. I wanted fujin to be the main course meal years ago.

Back in MKMSZ i thought that would lead to his promotion.

Im just glad he's finally the new protector of earthrealm.

I alway's loved fujin more then i ever could raiden.

Not saying raiden isn't great character. His flare from the 90's kinda rubbed off of me as i grew into my late teens.
Houan ey?I sense they will hhave a big part in MK8 why else would they use that instead of saying "I used my divine powers to revive Liu Kang"
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01/23/2007 01:41 AM (UTC)
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Well, ]{ombat, the battles might have been two separate battles.

Raiden vs. Shinnok eons ago
That was where the Raptors were wiped out for the most part.

Raiden vs. Houen
an adventurous epic battle that took place years before the games

I wouldn't look too deeply into it or get too confused. I look on them as two different fights.
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01/23/2007 02:30 AM (UTC)
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Somehow, someway Raiden may be under the influence of a dark force. Probably the one being, maybe something else. The story behind Liu's corpse is solved but this brings up more questions. I've been saying that Raiden was the one who reanimated Liu's corpse for a while now. This only confirmed what I said.
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01/23/2007 03:24 AM (UTC)
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You know, in Raiden's MK:Deception bios, it says that by the time he was reborn, he was fully aware of what was going on.

Being enfuriated by Shujinko's foolish ambitions for glory, he decided that he will then take matters into his own hands.

I guess this bio merely told us what exactly Raiden did during MK:Deception.

For me, I interpret it as Raiden saying enough is enough. It's one thing that people like Shang Tsung put the earth in danger but when it is one of the very people that Raiden is protecting that puts the entire universe in jeopardy, he just couldn't take it anymore.

All will fear the new God of Thunder.
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01/23/2007 03:44 AM (UTC)
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Excellent! I liked very much this bio!

Dark Raiden is indeed a new interesting character, I didn't like very much the "I'm a good god" thing. I suggest forgetting about the Houan, I could bet anytime they're just part of Raiden's story and will not be seen again.

Waiting anxiously for the next bio! grin
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01/23/2007 03:50 AM (UTC)
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Yeah, minion I agree.Fujin I became obsessed with since MK:M and MK4 since they both came out around the same time back in 97.

The god of wind I was like WHOA, what a cool character.

Fujin HAS to be in MK8.Raiden I'm sure will be also.wink
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01/23/2007 04:57 AM (UTC)
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Raiden bios is very cool, even if it don't explain his change... In the other hand, I'm pissed : I can't save the bio on my disk, because of the new presentation... I prefered when the bios appeared on the question mark page... :/
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01/23/2007 05:04 AM (UTC)
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i don't think the Houan were an entire race, just a set of necromancers. i think maybe they were part of Shinnok's army, and Raiden defeated them there. The bio makes no mention of race, they could be human, Edenian or some sort of combination from any of the realms. i think they were probably Oni or other netherrealm creatures. Quan chi used to be an Oni didnt he? i think hes the only necromancer weve seen before isnt he? Shang tsung ressurected sindel, but wasnt that part of some deal with quan chi and shinnok? so maybe quan chi was one of the Houan, or even their leader. maybe thats how shinnok met quan or why they fought with shinnok if they did.

otherwise i quite liked the bio. i think the alliance with shinnok is interesting also. i somehow think shinnok distrusts Raiden just as much as Raiden distrust him. ive always thought of Shinnok and quan chi as the puppeteers and manipulators but maybe this is a new turn for raiden. also if they're allies now, why were they fighting in the intro?
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01/23/2007 05:05 AM (UTC)
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i knew it! I knew Raiden and Shinnok would team up, even if under false pretenses! I loved that bio!grin


Wow, my prediction was right from 2 to 3 years ago when I said that in MKA Raiden and Shinnok will team up!!! Raiden has succumbed to Dark-Hadou!
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01/23/2007 05:21 AM (UTC)
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..... Isn't the whole point of MK Armageddon the idea that Kombat is irresistable for EVERY combatant.

You could say that all of this is directly from the paramid and from blaze, and that this is merely everyone destiny playing out. I think that's the ultimate reasoning for all this crap, there trying to make every character feel like their the grand champion of the series.

Lui Kang revived, Raidens taking everything into his own hands, Ermacs ending eluded to the fact that something somewhere was controling and manipulating all the events leading up to and after Onaga apparent defeat.


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01/23/2007 05:28 AM (UTC)
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Hey guys,
Just noticed something, You know where raiden's bio is:

http://mkarmageddon.com/assets/bios/bio_raiden.html

Well if you replace raiden with, say, Scorpion it comes up "Bio Coming Soon.."

Just thought I should let you guys know

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01/23/2007 06:19 AM (UTC)
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i have two ideas on what might be going on. if they just completely ditch the one being thing, then i think raiden jus got pissed off. i mean, people were constantly putting earth in danger, and hes pissed becuz he had to kill himself to save shit. plus it probably didnt help that he DIDNT save evverything. so i think hes jus pissed becuz hes tired of playin by the rules, whie shit still goes downhill.

OR......they could be ditchin the one being..and bring it back next game, so people go "oh i remember that!"
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01/23/2007 12:26 PM (UTC)
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i don't like the idea of liu kang like a puppet,an evil puppet.
damn,i understand that he isn't loved by fans,but he was for major time the protagounist of the saga.a bit of respect!
as for raiden,i don't like his dark look,and i want back the old raiden,the good and stupid guy.
however is not explained why raiden teamed up with onaga,shao kahn,quan chi and shang tsung:in fact,except shinnok,everybody is a threath for earthrealm!!!!!
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01/23/2007 11:32 PM (UTC)
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sean79 Wrote:
Hey guys,
Just noticed something, You know where raiden's bio is:

http://mkarmageddon.com/assets/bios/bio_raiden.html

Well if you replace raiden with, say, Scorpion it comes up "Bio Coming Soon.."

Just thought I should let you guys know

-Sean79


Cool.

The bio was good. Everything else has been said.
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01/23/2007 11:50 PM (UTC)
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O-M-G....

Raiden, Raiden, Raiden....hm...

O.k. I gotta bust this one down. As a #1 Fan of Raiden since day one I'm obligated .

Likes:

1. "Centuries Long ago": Right from when I saw the "new" ancient civilization Houan, that's the first phrase that poped into my head. Like "Oooh, so that's who he shit on so long ago".

*Thought process*=Cool, but I wonder if they're still around.......

As far as a contribution to future games, now we have these mysterious necromancers to consider! No doubt that if we ever see any in a future games they will still retain the disposition to Raiden. My guesses.....
"The BrotherHood of the Shaddow" or Nitara and her Vampires.

I'm thinking about this comment now: "Though their members subsequently were scattered to the winds..."

I think it's a nod, along with the fact that they're both types of necromancers, to the BrotherHood and maybe even Nitara. They could all qualify as necromancers, (used lightly)....And they could be the ones Raiden fought so long ago, scattered, and then regrouped in the NetherRealm to reform as the BrotherHood. Exit Nitara as part of the brotherhood though.

It might even give motivation for individuals like Quan Chi to have a dispotition towards Earth and try to corrupt the tournament to begin with. A vendetta of sorts...Afterall speacial moves like soul snatching and throwing skulls is definatly within the realm of necros'.....

A little far fetched, but it could give purpose to alot if it were true.

2. I really liked finding out about Lius' corpse....Officially now. Puts that whole chapter "to rest" for us. heheheh...irony. I'm just glad to know enough about that now.

3. I love the "PuppetMaster" theme that they imposed on Raiden because puppetmasters are not always "badguys". It fits excellently with Raidens' motivations and dispositions.

4. I also like that Raiden knows what he's doing...I REALLY like it as a matter of fact. He's painfully focused. I still won't doubt that we was tainted though. And I do wish he could've told us about that in his own bio.

For this I'm thinking about what Fujin said about "reforming in EarthRealm"....and "Having no memories of the past".

Those comments lead me to believe there's still ample margin for something to have effected Raidens' reform. So I still don't beleive he knows what happened to him. Therefor, I'll stand by my theories of past...

That "He might have taken some small portions of the sorcerers' (and or Onagas') dark energies during his sacrifice back to Earth in him when he reformed"....That's the only direct affect I can see right now. The whole "One Being" thing seems too far off to me. And it doesn't really make sense that if The One Being would pick someone to impress upon, why not take one of the Elder Gods instead? Someone that's obviously more powerful than Raiden? Shujinko could've kept getting used for that matter and continued to obsorb charaters powers until he brought Armmegedon to reality. He definatly has the potential, and he's pretty much unkown to the other characters in the story...*shrugs* Just a thought.
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DisLikes:

1. What I most dislike about this bio is that we still.......don't.......know what made him merciless. To no end do I...nm


2. An Opportunity Lost:

I don't like how he's not exactly intertwined with what's going on with the others...He's kind of creating his own mess of a story-line all by himself.
I think he could've been one of the individuals killing off other characters along with the corpse. That could've helped END this generation of the story and gotten rid of less important characters already.

I'm still waiting on WHO Dies, and WHO could do something like that??
I feel like Raiden was an opportunity missed here. Along with re-animating the corpse, he should've clearly had a plan for WHO to get rid of personally, and give the corpse the objective of taking out the stragglers. Like a General might deploy his armed forces. I mean, he used necromancy himslef to re-animate the corpse. Part of which is defined as "the practice of communicating or controling the dead."

My thought is...Tell the dead dude who to kill...right?

The thing that gets me the most about this part is that Raiden knows damn near everybody that's invlovled with the tournament. Why hasn't he killed somebody else yet? Further, why hasn't he selectivly killed or had the corpse selectivly kill minor//weaker characters yet? Y'know?
The Greater part of the roster should believe Raiden and Lui R.I.P.

Ample opportunity right? Right.

3. Someone mentioned Raiden being involved with the desecration of Reptiles race.....I don't think Raiden had anything to do with the Reptilian Race...I really don't. I think that would be a better suit for one of the outter wolds' evil races..

That's my rant though not complete anylization of Raidens' bio for now..
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01/24/2007 12:52 AM (UTC)
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ThePredator151 Wrote:
"Centuries Long ago": Right from when I saw the "new" ancient civilization Houan, that's the first phrase that poped into my head. Like "Oooh, so that's who he shit on so long ago".

*Thought process*=Cool, but I wonder if they're still around.......

As far as a contribution to future games, now we have these mysterious necromancers to consider! No doubt that if we ever see any in a future games they will still retain the disposition to Raiden. My guesses.....
"The BrotherHood of the Shaddow" or Nitara and her Vampires.

I'm thinking about this comment now: "Though their members subsequently were scattered to the winds..."

I think it's a nod, along with the fact that they're both types of necromancers, to the BrotherHood and maybe even Nitara. They could all qualify as necromancers, (used lightly)....And they could be the ones Raiden fought so long ago, scattered, and then regrouped in the NetherRealm to reform as the BrotherHood. Exit Nitara as part of the brotherhood though.

It might even give motivation for individuals like Quan Chi to have a dispotition towards Earth and try to corrupt the tournament to begin with. A vendetta of sorts...Afterall speacial moves like soul snatching and throwing skulls is definatly within the realm of necros'.....

I personally think it's quite obvious that the surviving member of the Houan sect is none other than Quan Chi. While I've often heard Shang Tsung being referred to as "The Necromancer," this was generally before the introduction of Quan Chi into the storyline. Throughout the last games,Quan Chi has been seen perfrming quite a lot of necromancy-related arts,and his fight with Jax in the intro of Armageddon is a proof of that.
Also,consider the information contained in his Bio Kard. Vogel drops some pretty heavy hints there. Something to the extent of Quan Chi possibly being "as old as the Netherrealm itself," with his origins shrouded in complete mystery. So there's that.
Besides,if Quan Chi's ultimate purpose is to get back at Raiden for wiping out his sect,his alliance with Shinnok in MKMythologies makes a hell of a lot more sense now... In fact,I'll go as far as to say that Quan Chi created Scorpion while already planning ahead that his ultimate undead killing machine would eventually catch the attention of the Elder Gods and become their enforcer,where he would be in a much better position to kill Raiden. Farfetched,I know,but this IS Quan Chi we're talking about here,after all. smile
ThePredator151 Wrote:And it doesn't really make sense that if The One Being would pick someone to impress upon, why not take one of the Elder Gods instead? Someone that's obviously more powerful than Raiden? Shujinko could've kept getting used for that matter and continued to obsorb charaters powers until he brought Armmegedon to reality. He definatly has the potential, and he's pretty much unkown to the other characters in the story...*shrugs* Just a thought. ..

Well,technically,Raiden is an Elder God. He earned that title for himself,and the fact that chose to abandon it when the Deadly Alliance attacked doesn't change that.

As for Shujinko,he already proved himself to be an incompetent doofus who was played by Damashi like a five-cent kazoo. grin There wouldn't be much use for the One Being to take control of someone like that.
ThePredator151 Wrote: Someone mentioned Raiden being involved with the desecration of Reptiles race.....I don't think Raiden had anything to do with the Reptilian Race...I really don't. I think that would be a better suit for one of the outter wolds' evil races..

I do believe that was a fact established way back during MK4,no? Doesn't Raiden himself say something to that extent in the very intro to the game? "I've been responsible for the death of an entire civilzation",or something like that?
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01/24/2007 02:54 AM (UTC)
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You're right T-Rex about the last part. Raiden was responsible for the destruction of the Saurians, Reptile's people. He said that directly in MK4. (nod)
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