unfortunately thee is many hatred in the world...

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Thank you, glad to see logic still prevails on this board *applauds*

This is a sensitive subject, and I've answered it before, so I'll be very brief.

I hate religion, but I love God, just like I love liberty and hate politics. "Religion" has been an excuse for human actions, erroneously justified by mortal men as "God's will", and has led to great turmoil and pain. Even now, people seek to kill "infidels" on their "god's" command. But that is contrary to what God is. By contrast, politics are the same way, designed to preserve liberty, but often falling to the whims of power-hungry, greedy men.

But God and liberty are transcendent and they don't change, unlike religion and politics.

Nothing makes more sense to me than God, but I'll never speak for him because I do not, and probably will never, understand him. That is why he is God, but God's nature was revealed, and it isn't a god of "vengence" or "wrath", but of "justice" and "love." A loving God can still love his children, but "send" them to hell. That is the price of sin. In essence, people send themselves to hell, and God sent them the means to salvation. Human nature, however, wants no god, nor any help.

I follow my own path, but I do so under God's provision and influence. I'm the man I am today because of Him.

so basically you live your life your way and try to what is right, and I getting at least a small gist of it? either way well put

I hate it when someone says if god created us who created him?

They answer their own goddamn question!!(no pun intended)

uh...maybe....just maybe.....he......CREATED HIMSELF!!!

Anytime I feel the same.

Well God will always win , no angle could over throw god especialy not satan

there are days that I question if there is a god due to the amount of stupid people in the world today.




by thinking that thought proves to me that there is a god.







God exist on a higher plane of existance which in turn relay on a higher level of science to keep his infinite power, intelligance, and wisdom also existence.



Therefore, proving God by order of the universe while using logic is plausible.


Disproving God by the chaos and the entproy of the universe while using logic is plausible.




If either are true, what philosophy and/or religion is true?

Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?

interesting paradox.

HMMM.. That is very interesting??

Hey, playing MK isnt bad to me. Actually, sometimes when Im angry I go in my room, lock the door, put in a Slayer CD, put in an MK game, and then fill my bloodlust in a safe way.

I believe its still not good, but it is better than killing someone.

It's nt who created him... God didn't even create humans.... evolution did.

Hi everyone, I know this topic has gone in many directions but first I would like to give my input to the question posed by the original poster. As a Christian who strongly believes in God and the Bible as His word I must say I am a little divided on this issue, I know that committing violence on computer graphics does not really hurt anyone but just as looking at a lewd image may inspire lust, playing such games are likely not the best thing to do. Personally I was a big fan of MK for a long time, I still like MK but have moved away from it and similar material over the years. I certainly hope that you consider this and if you believe in God bring this issue before the Lord, remember we are Christians because we believe God
rose from the dead and is living. I believe our living God can help you better than any person or religious doctrine.

Now for other topics brought up in this thread:

1. Science channel & Stardust origins
- There is something you must understand about the Science channel (of which I am a constant viewer) and for that matter Nat. Geo, Discovery, and almost all mainstream science sources. They are founded on a belief in materialism and when I say materialism I dont mean the desire to have many possesions but rather that nature and matter are all that exist, they do not consider the supernatural. With this preconceived notion they will of course seek to find explanations for the origin of life through natural processes so it is not accurate to say anything that these media outlets say is "proven." The stardust hypothesis for the origin of life is one I remember encountering a few years ago but I do not recall all that was argued and admittedly astronomy is definitely not my specialty nor interest for that matter. But on the same hand I would like to throw this out for you to consider, there was once a belief known as Spontaneous Generation that basically held that life came from non-life, this belief was disproven long ago by Francesco Redi and then again later on by Louis Pasteur. This erroneous belief is seemingly long dead and buried but because "scientific" sources such as the Science channel rely on the axiom of naturalism or materialism they must constantly resurrect it in various forms such as the "primordial soup" and now the stardust theory.

2. The origin of God?
- My apologies for not remembering names but I believe at least one person asked something along the lines of "who created God"? This question would be quite intimidating if one did not know the full scope of God's creation. Of course we human beings are limited and mortal so time is extremely important to us, we all have a beginning and an end, but does this apply to God? Absolutely not, remember God is the creator of all things including time, God is not bound by anything much less something He created. Unlike us God does not need nor have a beginning and an end He is eternal something we as time bound creatures can not fully understand.

3. About terrorists and Muslims
- Now I know it is politically correct to proclaim the equality and noble intent of all faiths but to say that Muslim terrorists twist the Quran to justify their actions is false. But dont take my word for it see what the Quran itself has to say:
-Surah 2.190 "...fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you"
-Surah 2.191 "And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers."
-Surah 2.244 "...fight in the way of Allah"
-Surah 4.71 "...go forth in detachments or go forth in a body [to war]."
-Surah 4.89 "...take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back [to their homes], then seize them and kill them wherever you find them... "
-Surah 8.12 "......make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."
-Surah 9.5 "...slay the idolaters wherever you find them...take them
captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush..."

This is just the tip of the iceburg concerning the endorsement of violence in the Quran and if you still do not believe me you can go to your local library and check for yourself. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not saying all muslims are terrorist or have bad intentions, I have known several who were good, caring people but that does not change the fact that those who commit terrorist acts derive their inspiration from the same text as those who seek peace. Terrorists by no means distort the Quran.

4. All religions are a path to God
- I certainly do not want to offend those who hold this view but it is severely flawed. The most prominent flaw is that most religions do not agree and even directly contradict. For instance Christianity, Judaism and Islam all require the exclusive belief and worship of one God while others such as Hindusim accept many gods(over 3 million if I remember correctly). Also some religions or belief systems such as Buddhism, New Age Spiritualism and Universalist Unitariansim do not require the belief in any god. How one reconciles these glaring gaps between these faiths and proclaim them all true or even partially true is beyond me. Now of course this could lead to the question "then how do you know which one is true?" It is my belief that a truly honest seeker of God will find Him, and in addition to faith, historical and scientific support for a particular belief also solidifies that faith's claims to truth. For an excellent read on the miraculous historical accuracy of the Bible please read this: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/noah.asp Even if you are firmly set on the belief that God does not exist I am almost certain you will still find this article intriguing.

5. The state of unbelievers
- It is clear to see that this topic as many similar topics I have seen generated much interest among those holding to atheist and agnostic beliefs, I am by no means protesting this but this matter has always interested me. Please do not take offence as I respect every single one of you as fellow, valuable human beings but what exactly is your motivation for addressing these issues? I saw that some wrote that we(as in humanity) should try to be good I guess implying that we do not need God or religion to tell us that, others such as ecstacytuesday even said something along the lines of "I hate people who overdue it with God"(I apologize if I misquoted you ecstacytueday). Now my question to you (aside from the one I posed earlier) is: Do you truly understand all that comes along with this life of pursuing "good" and bypassing God? With an atheistic or agnostic world view no true standard can exist for the treatment of others, some of you labeled "good" as caring for and respecting others but how do you know that this is the true expression of "good"? You see good for some, such as Nazi Germany, can come in the form of eliminating those deemed as undesirable. This worldview is now largley disliked and disregarded but only because it was defeated, you see for those of you who rely on yourself and/or culture to determine what is "good" and what is "right" you believe what you believe only because it is the belief or worldview that ultimately "won" (or of course because you oppose theists). A person guided by atheistic or agnostic principles is subject to the "truth" established by the influential and powerful, your "good" is what the times determine so if ever in the future a belief system such as the eugenicist beliefs held by Francis Galton, Margaret Sanger, H.G. Wells and Nazi Germany gain a dominant foothold your "good" will shift to the glory of eliminating the unfit, caring for none but the strong which appears to be the complete opposite of what many of you believe "good" to be now. To put it bluntly your "good" is absolutely nothing, it means nothing and leads to no outcome, so statements such as "I hate people who overdue it with God" are truly baffling coming from a person who holds to the view of no God, and therefore no absolutes, and therefore no meaning or significance to a belief in God or disbelief in God. Now history has taught us many lessons, among them is that some people of faith including those of the Christian faith have and continue to do horrible things. Were some Christians swept up in eugenics? I do not doubt it. Were some Christians into Nazism? Definitely, in fact some still are. But.... those who place their faith not in themselves, not in culture but in God and the absolute truths and principles He has established have the proper foundation to with stand the influence of the most dire and dangerous of philosophies. Firm believers, who trust in God above all always, have absolute truths to guide them in all times and in all cultures. Our view of what is "good" and what is "right" does not shift with the dominant ideology of the day but remains planted in place. So, with such variable beliefs please answer my questions, those who hold to atheistic and agnostic views.

To mkflegend and Ladymage - I just can't seem to get through to either of you and are basically a lost cause. We are just wasting our time here. Just remember that later in your existence you are both going to come to the realization that I was right. You won't remember my name or which message board I posted in but you will definitely remember the words and my warning about the consequences of your actions.

To ShingoEX - You need to understand that people and sin are two very different things. People are living things and sin is not. Sin is an action and people are not. That is why it is wrong to hate someone and is justified to hate their actions in life. God said to hate evil and wicked things and not evil and wicked people. There is a clear difference here that you are not seeing.

To anyone who asked if Jesus can microwave a burrito so hot that he himself cannot eat it? - The answer to this pointless question is yes. Would any of you microwave a burrito on high for a hour and then attempt to eat it? No you wouldn't and if you do then you're an idiot. God does not have to prove anything to any of us. God is not stupid.

To anyone who believes in evolution - I will address this issue later but for now I would like for everyone to call evolution by it's proper name which is The THEORY Of Evolution. Evolution is a theory not a fact. A theory is a belief. A theory is a belief you set out to prove as fact.

To Zatterianwarrior - It's nice to see that there are still some people with sense in the world.

Probably the greatest words in here.



I've been reading some of your post and you seems pretty acurate too. Never compelled to write anything though.
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Now on topic and kind of in disagreement with MarxZero.

This subject is perceptual. Ultimatly choice, really.
No, it's not wrong unless you percieve so based on your believes.

The "bible thumpers" will probably say yes, based on the point MarxZero brought up about the image of god through man. The others will probably say no based on either ignorance of the bible and it's value or or shere disregaurd for such......Choice.
All the inbetweeners....in between, most likley based on what society influences them to believe about the game. See that?

All very powerful influences on the perception of "killing" video images.
Nothing at all wrong with either . Choice...use it.

Peace.

hey if u were god would u care if one little person on earth looked at a big square and moved his/her fingers a bit . you have faith i god and thats all you need . nuf said close this thread

lost cause, not thats you, not me or mkf, you are going to hell for shoving your beliefs down our throats and saying we are going to hell, you are not to jugde, what ever higher power is out there is, and didn't you listen to my former minster' friends prayer? Your words don't affect met

I'm sorry, but I believe you should not hold hatred towards anything in your heart, be it a person or not.

Even the most vile and evil things in the world...sure, I show strong dislike and disapproval, and I believe in helping pave the way for better things, but hatred itself is, in my opinion, one of the roots of evil itself.

But that's just what I believe.

I think you're the lost cause here dude.Again, Zatterianwarrior is the only person in here that agrees with you to a point, but still he's not nearly against it as much as you rant on about it.

It's simple, I'll make this short and brief.If you can't see the difference between a mere video game for fun after a hard days work or to forget your problems in life, and really going outside in the real world to find someone, kill them.Then I just pity you.

And you're not right, you're not god so stop acting as if you are.

I guarantee you that if I asked all of the priests to the churches I go to about this, they would laugh at you.Also, if you're "soo" right then why is it they don't preach about violent video games or movies.I read your profile, you're a hypocrite since you like games and movies so yeah....what's that about?Movies have negative things portrayed about them also.In fact they're worse then a video game because movies are more realistic, where a video game is pure fiction which you fail to comprehend apparently.

And to Zatterian, I have a question for you if I may.If you're against MK now, then why do you still have MK avy's on your profile?Obviously you STILL have a place in your heart for MK.Just a question.

And same to Marxzero, you're a hypocrite because you sport SMOKE from MK, the very thing you preach about that is negative.Sad.

Firstly thank you Marxzero for the compliment.

Now for your question MKFlegend, as I indicated before Mortal Kombat is still some thing I like that is why I said I was divided, I have moved away from it in recent years but not completely away. 14 years of playing is not so easy to suddenly give up but at the same time I feel that this trend of moving away from MK on my part, even though it is very gradual, is for the best. As far as MK being listed as a favorite on my profile, I do not remember the last time I even checked my profile. Anyway, my moving away from MK is not necessarily an expression of judgement. If you still want to play Mk that is fine but please be aware that such material can in some way be in conflict with your faith. In this world those things and people who are bad are in direct conflict with God, and those things and people who are good, if viewed incorrectly, can act as a replacement for God which is something just as deadly and maybe even more so because it is more subtle. I feel that I could handle playing MK and still remaining faithful, but it is mostly interest and not guilt that is guiding me away. If you can handle playing MK without it conflicting with your faith, that is great but please in this matter and in all matters give God the first voice. Peace & God bless.

Ok man, well said you sound like a guy that anyone can talk to.You see, I understand what you're saying completely but the other dude is insisting that anyone who plays and enjoys MK is committing a sin.That's a big "not true" or BS statement if I ever saw one.

Your point is to play and enjoy MK without losing faith in God, that's fine and I don't lose faith when I play MK.I play MK for fun and to get my mind off my problems in life that we struggle with.Praying is another thing I often do by myself to god.

But yeah, I don't play MK to learn any dark arts or lose faith in God.I play MK for fun, something I'm good at and to release steam sometimes after a rough day.Nothing wrong with that.

The other guy though is trying to force what he believes is true onto everyone that plays and enjoys MK, I find that ridiculous but your point is logical and very different then his.

I'm sure you see what I'm saying.Thanks though, when ever I get angry at God I'll never forget him or say the heck with you.

A big reason why I play MK is because I enjoy it and I'm good at it besides being a fan!

O.k. I read in full now a few of MarxZeros' post, before I just kinda skimmed.

And they're not wrong. LadyMage and I spoke on this subject as well so she knows where I'm coming from in reference to MarxZeros' opinion//facts. (Yes, slash facts.)

The way I feel about this subject is similar in taste to his except I choose to except the game fro what it is. Hipocritical as it may seem....we as humans are allowed that privilege by God. People are in fact self serving beings by nature. Look at all your "appliances", look at all the business built on making your life "easier".

I think it may be a miscommunication here based on the way you're taking his initial points. And then you defend your own points of view. Normal. To kill is a sin. Our lord is our judge. When you start trying to blur the line of what is actual killing or not. You decieve yourself of the pure reasoning of the rule. Killing is Killing whether it's a video game or not.

He's right. Though, I don't like some of the shots he threw, he's more right then you about This. According to the Bible anyway. Your opinion is a strong one but it doesn't purely answer the question of the title.

So, we got history vs societies opinion of now. Which do you think will win Ultimatly? History will, especially because the source of MarxZeros' points tell of now in more than a few ways.

No, you probably won't go to hell for playing a video game because obviously "You know not what you do". But just try to understand that you are playing a decitful killing game. Shit, one of the names in a title from MK is Deception....in big bold letters. You are being decived everytime you perform a fatality on an "image of God" (a man or woman in the game), for your own "self serving" entertainment.

...I'm talking to who-ever can't understand that point of view. I'm not saying "you shoould think this way", I'm simply saying "Understand it?" You'll be a more versed person after you do. Because it's history.

intresting points pred, glad someone can both speak marx's language and still be a decent, kind, understand, intelligent human being (and yes we had a nice debate over aim, with some yelling, but we basically agreed to disagree, sort of...) yeah mk ain't the friendliest game around, but its still fiction, not real, its a stress relevier and yeah no one is going to hell over this

Marx you are acting like these idiots that say something is wrong, but continue to assult their eyes by doing it, dealing with it or yelling at those who do, its stupid, its immature and all you have to do to keep from being offended is back off, leave, go away and let us do our hell bound thing. I suppose you hate metal because of its subject matter, or violent movies or stories because of killing? Get over it, we are allowed to do as we please, like pred said, choice, free will, its our minds.