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If we got a wallpaper today, should we expect something tomorrow or sometime later in the week?


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Off work now and I saw some other posts I wanted to speak to...
Now THIS sounds feasible based on where we're at. Having the Elder Gods react to Raiden in some way (one ironic way would be if they reacted to him like they probably did with Shinnok) would be ideal, and I think, cool.
Raiden could be, even though his motives were positive in the Dark Raiden period, he could be violating some sort of "deity law" or " god credo" or something to that affect. Y'know, there's probably a set of rules he's binded by that as Dark Raiden, he's violated. THAT would make a ton of sense.
So, I'm hoping that if they delve into it, they give us something like that. That would make sense and, I think that if not right now, it'll soon be time for someone more powerful than Raiden to step in....or even punish him for the things he's been doing. I mean, there's gotta be some kinda rule against:
1.) Resurrecting a dead champs body and using it as your own personal enforcer.
2.) Killing a human, even if he is ignorant and almost causes the destruction of your planet.
3.) Making deals with all the devils at once.
4.) Using necromancy, a dark art to do...anything as a good God personality.
THOSE four things alone should get him "in trouble"...with somebody. lol
Y'know, I gave a similar example as this a while ago but I got pegged with the whole"oh, you're just a big Raiden fan" thing. It's nice to see that the tie between Raiden and Earth, and someone and their kids/stuff/home could be made by someone else.
I can actually accept that. He's on the tight rope.
That's the angle I'm on though. The moment he starts targeting folks other than the evil guys himself, he will have crossed the line. Using necromancy doesn't even make sense for a God, but the fact that he's using dark magic should violate something about him being a good guy, in my mind. It's a complete contradiction to his character.
To be honest, I don't understand why he'd need it in the first place. He's a God, shouldn't he simply have the rite to bring people back to life already? Wtf is he doing?... Unless.... he's trying to hide what he's doing from someone who could stop him.
That's probably the part that I don't buy, but that is within my spectrum of speculation as well. i actually feel that using the OB like that is such a cop-out that I usually don't even bother going there.
It just craps all over more creative ways to write the thing out iMo.
razz2d2 Wrote:
I was under the impression that raiden was dark, not evil. But in this game he can end up that way.
BUT i would say that sending past raiden future messages in order to prevent armageddon is probably against the elder god's wishes.
It would be interesting if the elder gods reveal to him that regardless of the changes, armageddon will be inevitable.
That, Raiden getting these messages, and elder gods being pissed could develop into Evilness?
I was under the impression that raiden was dark, not evil. But in this game he can end up that way.
BUT i would say that sending past raiden future messages in order to prevent armageddon is probably against the elder god's wishes.
It would be interesting if the elder gods reveal to him that regardless of the changes, armageddon will be inevitable.
That, Raiden getting these messages, and elder gods being pissed could develop into Evilness?
Now THIS sounds feasible based on where we're at. Having the Elder Gods react to Raiden in some way (one ironic way would be if they reacted to him like they probably did with Shinnok) would be ideal, and I think, cool.
Raiden could be, even though his motives were positive in the Dark Raiden period, he could be violating some sort of "deity law" or " god credo" or something to that affect. Y'know, there's probably a set of rules he's binded by that as Dark Raiden, he's violated. THAT would make a ton of sense.
So, I'm hoping that if they delve into it, they give us something like that. That would make sense and, I think that if not right now, it'll soon be time for someone more powerful than Raiden to step in....or even punish him for the things he's been doing. I mean, there's gotta be some kinda rule against:
1.) Resurrecting a dead champs body and using it as your own personal enforcer.
2.) Killing a human, even if he is ignorant and almost causes the destruction of your planet.
3.) Making deals with all the devils at once.
4.) Using necromancy, a dark art to do...anything as a good God personality.
THOSE four things alone should get him "in trouble"...with somebody. lol
blackcyborg Wrote:
That's the way I see it. I am not going to go back and forth about it, but I just figured I would at least throw my analysis out there. I see Raiden as Neutral. He'd be good in the eyes of Earthrealm inhabitants that aren't a threat to Earth, and want to remain alive and well. He'd be evil to those who are wishing to do good, but are unintentionally fucking things up.
But ultimately he is completely neutral. He isn't off trying to concur other realms or killing innocents, he's merely protecting his realm from those who threaten it. Much like you protect your own house or family etc. from those who threaten it, whether it be with good intentions or bad intentions, you are protecting what is "yours" so to speak. It doesn't make you evil. It's not like you're the one going to other houses to fuck shit up. You're just minding your own business but keeping your stuff safe.
That's the way I see it. I am not going to go back and forth about it, but I just figured I would at least throw my analysis out there. I see Raiden as Neutral. He'd be good in the eyes of Earthrealm inhabitants that aren't a threat to Earth, and want to remain alive and well. He'd be evil to those who are wishing to do good, but are unintentionally fucking things up.
But ultimately he is completely neutral. He isn't off trying to concur other realms or killing innocents, he's merely protecting his realm from those who threaten it. Much like you protect your own house or family etc. from those who threaten it, whether it be with good intentions or bad intentions, you are protecting what is "yours" so to speak. It doesn't make you evil. It's not like you're the one going to other houses to fuck shit up. You're just minding your own business but keeping your stuff safe.
Y'know, I gave a similar example as this a while ago but I got pegged with the whole"oh, you're just a big Raiden fan" thing. It's nice to see that the tie between Raiden and Earth, and someone and their kids/stuff/home could be made by someone else.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
The fact that Raiden tends to necromancy on Liu Kang's dead body to zombify him and that he doesn't seem to care that Zombie Liu Kang is killing innocent people does make Raiden sound like he's on the verge of evilhood. His intentions might be good, but as said, the means to do so aren't justified. He's literally using perverted and twisted dark magic on his closest human ally - it shows he's lost his emotional attachment to humankind and had a significant loss of morals.
If Dark Raiden is not evil, he damn well is only but a step away from becoming so.
The fact that Raiden tends to necromancy on Liu Kang's dead body to zombify him and that he doesn't seem to care that Zombie Liu Kang is killing innocent people does make Raiden sound like he's on the verge of evilhood. His intentions might be good, but as said, the means to do so aren't justified. He's literally using perverted and twisted dark magic on his closest human ally - it shows he's lost his emotional attachment to humankind and had a significant loss of morals.
If Dark Raiden is not evil, he damn well is only but a step away from becoming so.
I can actually accept that. He's on the tight rope.
That's the angle I'm on though. The moment he starts targeting folks other than the evil guys himself, he will have crossed the line. Using necromancy doesn't even make sense for a God, but the fact that he's using dark magic should violate something about him being a good guy, in my mind. It's a complete contradiction to his character.
To be honest, I don't understand why he'd need it in the first place. He's a God, shouldn't he simply have the rite to bring people back to life already? Wtf is he doing?... Unless.... he's trying to hide what he's doing from someone who could stop him.
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I just don't hold Raiden accountable for his actions. We don't have all the details of his transformation, but if it really is something very powerful such as the One Being corrupting him, the argument could be made that he's just as much a puppet as Zombie Liu is.
I just don't hold Raiden accountable for his actions. We don't have all the details of his transformation, but if it really is something very powerful such as the One Being corrupting him, the argument could be made that he's just as much a puppet as Zombie Liu is.
That's probably the part that I don't buy, but that is within my spectrum of speculation as well. i actually feel that using the OB like that is such a cop-out that I usually don't even bother going there.
It just craps all over more creative ways to write the thing out iMo.
ThePredator151 Wrote:
Finally
I can't wait to see how they handle Raiden's stuff in this game. If they were able to improve Noob Saibot, an already cool character in my book, but someone who did need some work, there's gotta be some wonderful things in store for mah boi Raiden.
Let's Go!
Also, this:
Finally
I can't wait to see how they handle Raiden's stuff in this game. If they were able to improve Noob Saibot, an already cool character in my book, but someone who did need some work, there's gotta be some wonderful things in store for mah boi Raiden.
Let's Go!
Also, this:
Shadaloo Wrote:
EXCELLENT.
It is high time for the real shit to begin. Let's get into the meat and bones of MK 2011's story - he's what kicks it off, after all - and finally get some gameplay footage!
EXCELLENT.
It is high time for the real shit to begin. Let's get into the meat and bones of MK 2011's story - he's what kicks it off, after all - and finally get some gameplay footage!
IT"S ABOUT TIME!!
Kan't wait to my favorite character in action!!

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mirak Wrote:
FINALLY, the most electrifying man in video games has come BACK to MKO!
FINALLY, the most electrifying man in video games has come BACK to MKO!
Dont you EVER... EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Compare The Rock to Raiden EVER again
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
The One Being doesn't overtly control people, it's entirely "subconscious". That means it subtly pushes them farther and harder in directions they were already headed if taking them to an extreme could awaken him.
You have to already be on the verge of fucking up all the realms for the One Being's push to come in.
Shao Kahn wants to rule the world, pushing that makes him want to rule all worlds, and if all the worlds were merged, the One Being would come back.
Onaga wants to be invincible, having the Kamidogus makes him that...and the One Being's push tells him "combine the Kamidogus and become the ultimate god" which would turn Onaga into the One Being.
So The One Being isn't the catalyst for Raiden's behavior, just something piggybacking on him. It is making him act more extreme than he perhaps would, but it's not the major motivation.
The real catalyst for Raiden's personality change was given in Shang Tsung's MKA bio: when the three of them died at the same time, their souls wrestled "in the ether". Some of Shang and Quan has rubbed off on Raiden. Hence why he no longer cares for human life and turns to dark magic to accomplish his ends now.
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IMO, the people who are trying to argue that Raiden isn't evil are going about it all wrong. Razor -- you make some very good points and IMO you are winning the debate, but let me refute your arguments by pointing out that Raiden is basically being mind controlled. Keep in mind all the good works that Raiden has done in the past. The effect that the One Being has on him (or whatever it is) is causing him to do things he would never do. He is just not himself.
Dark Raiden is basically Spidey when the symbiote is attached to him. Or Superman on Red Kryptonite.
I agree with your assessment of Raiden's actions as evil. Most convincing is the pre-emptive strike on EVERY realm, including Earth's allies such as Edenia, in his ending. While the ending isn't canon, it shows what the character would do if he were to win - e.g., what he is planning.
I just don't hold Raiden accountable for his actions. We don't have all the details of his transformation, but if it really is something very powerful such as the One Being corrupting him, the argument could be made that he's just as much a puppet as Zombie Liu is.
IMO, the people who are trying to argue that Raiden isn't evil are going about it all wrong. Razor -- you make some very good points and IMO you are winning the debate, but let me refute your arguments by pointing out that Raiden is basically being mind controlled. Keep in mind all the good works that Raiden has done in the past. The effect that the One Being has on him (or whatever it is) is causing him to do things he would never do. He is just not himself.
Dark Raiden is basically Spidey when the symbiote is attached to him. Or Superman on Red Kryptonite.
I agree with your assessment of Raiden's actions as evil. Most convincing is the pre-emptive strike on EVERY realm, including Earth's allies such as Edenia, in his ending. While the ending isn't canon, it shows what the character would do if he were to win - e.g., what he is planning.
I just don't hold Raiden accountable for his actions. We don't have all the details of his transformation, but if it really is something very powerful such as the One Being corrupting him, the argument could be made that he's just as much a puppet as Zombie Liu is.
The One Being doesn't overtly control people, it's entirely "subconscious". That means it subtly pushes them farther and harder in directions they were already headed if taking them to an extreme could awaken him.
You have to already be on the verge of fucking up all the realms for the One Being's push to come in.
Shao Kahn wants to rule the world, pushing that makes him want to rule all worlds, and if all the worlds were merged, the One Being would come back.
Onaga wants to be invincible, having the Kamidogus makes him that...and the One Being's push tells him "combine the Kamidogus and become the ultimate god" which would turn Onaga into the One Being.
So The One Being isn't the catalyst for Raiden's behavior, just something piggybacking on him. It is making him act more extreme than he perhaps would, but it's not the major motivation.
The real catalyst for Raiden's personality change was given in Shang Tsung's MKA bio: when the three of them died at the same time, their souls wrestled "in the ether". Some of Shang and Quan has rubbed off on Raiden. Hence why he no longer cares for human life and turns to dark magic to accomplish his ends now.
wasn't there a bio that quan chi at the last second when raiden did his final blast ran through a portal? also notice when he booked it right at the end


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hey look it's Quan Chi! :P
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Yea, and u r the biggest noob of us. stupid gay.
1) Raiden freaking rocks. I'm glad we'll finally see stuff from him.
2) This wallpaper is awesome. Its my favorite because it has given me high hopes that we'll definitely be seeing "magical" and "energy" Fatalities. Hopefully this will not be a specific trait to obvious ones (such as Raiden and his thunder powers) and it will be reached to the others who had magical finishers as well (Sindel, Sonya, etc).
3) I just have to say it again: This wallpaper is awesome. I really like it.
Yeah, the whole "chat" and "rank" thing was never a real thing, imo. Its pretty obvious (from all we've seen) that this is the way they intended to reveal stuff about characters. To follow their own convenient order.
After taking care of the lame boring ninjas for almost 6 months they just had to move on to a female (Mileena) and then follow their own rules.
"Chat" never equalled "Rank".
2) This wallpaper is awesome. Its my favorite because it has given me high hopes that we'll definitely be seeing "magical" and "energy" Fatalities. Hopefully this will not be a specific trait to obvious ones (such as Raiden and his thunder powers) and it will be reached to the others who had magical finishers as well (Sindel, Sonya, etc).
3) I just have to say it again: This wallpaper is awesome. I really like it.
Demon_0 Wrote:
As I said in the other thread, I am a little pissed Raiden came before Kahn despite of the facts that they went from character to character and Kahn's rank was higher than Raiden's for at least two weeks now. They should have just put him on the sixth spot and never introduced this ridiculous ranking game.
As I said in the other thread, I am a little pissed Raiden came before Kahn despite of the facts that they went from character to character and Kahn's rank was higher than Raiden's for at least two weeks now. They should have just put him on the sixth spot and never introduced this ridiculous ranking game.
Yeah, the whole "chat" and "rank" thing was never a real thing, imo. Its pretty obvious (from all we've seen) that this is the way they intended to reveal stuff about characters. To follow their own convenient order.
After taking care of the lame boring ninjas for almost 6 months they just had to move on to a female (Mileena) and then follow their own rules.
"Chat" never equalled "Rank".


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Darkhound74 Wrote:
You do know this isn't the BIG release right?
TheNinjasRock071394 Wrote:
On a note other than the arguing that is currenly taking place..... THIS RELEASE SUCKS.
On a note other than the arguing that is currenly taking place..... THIS RELEASE SUCKS.
You do know this isn't the BIG release right?
You do know that doesn't make THIS RELEASE suck any less right?


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I would like to add a few minute things
both sides of the argument have valid points but based on character design/concept it would appear that raiden is in fact evil- red eyes, pale skin, torn cape, darker tone in voice, fact his name is DARK raiden and also the fact that spirit liu regrets what zombie liu did (i doubt he would feel guilty if it was somewhat justifiable) but also we cant assume anything for all we know it might in fact be the One Being's doing
both sides of the argument have valid points but based on character design/concept it would appear that raiden is in fact evil- red eyes, pale skin, torn cape, darker tone in voice, fact his name is DARK raiden and also the fact that spirit liu regrets what zombie liu did (i doubt he would feel guilty if it was somewhat justifiable) but also we cant assume anything for all we know it might in fact be the One Being's doing


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Who is this "one being" and how does he figure into the story?
Links plox.
Links plox.

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Gaylord81ff Wrote:
Yea, and u r the biggest noob of us. stupid gay.
Yea, and u r the biggest noob of us. stupid gay.
What are you? 10?
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That was for segaman7 not for you. I still beat him in mkdc online :)
unseenwombat Wrote:
Who is this "one being" and how does he figure into the story?
Links plox.
Who is this "one being" and how does he figure into the story?
Links plox.
The "One Being" concept started in Deception, which kind of integrated into Onaga's plot line.
Basically, at the beginning of time, there were the Elder Gods and the One Being. He was draining their power, so they had to take him out. They succeeded, and split his consciousness into fragments which are known as the Kamidogu. Him being defeated is also how the realms came to be (the original 6, as well as others like Zaterra, Vaeternus, Kuatan, etc.), so it's kind of like Mortal Kombat's origin story.
Onaga, after dying by the hands of Shao Kahn, somehow had traces of the One Being in his consciousness. Perhaps Onaga's consciousness blended in with the Being's. Regardless, no one is directly affected by the One Being (Onaga is not his slave), it's more of a subconscious thing.
I was thinking that Shao Kahn merging all the realms somehow brought that consciousness closer (he did merge Edenia to Outworld=two realms that each had a kamidogu), which would make the One Being's "voice" stronger.
Anyways, after he died, Onaga's whole mission was to bring the kamidogu all together, which would bring the One Being back. Similarly, after Kahn went mad with power, his main goal was to merge all the realms together. It's possible, though not certain, that perhaps Kahn has a bit of "One Being" in his mind.
Actually, Onaga's consciousness must've blended in with the One Being's, seeing as how Onaga had the ability to communicate to Shujinko from beyond death, which is something that the One Being seems to be able to do. I doubt Onaga would be able to do this on his own.
So, from the Elder God's perspective, the One Being is their enemy, but more importantly, their biggest threat. So, anyone who aligns themselves with his cause would be against them.


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The simplest way to describe it is to think of The One Being as the stuff the Elder Gods made the universe out of. (Razz's description is a bit off. The Kamidogu aren't his split consciousness. Originally, the Elder Gods forged a single Kamidogu, which was a weapon, and that's what they killed TOB with. When they killed him, the weapon broke into 6 pieces. The six separate Kamidogus are tied to TOB's spirit now though, so if they were recombined into one, that would wake him back up.)
But he doesn't want there to be a universe. He's in sort of a death/sleep thing. The realms are made of shattered pieces of his body and the people and their lives are all a dream he's having. And he wants to wake back up but he can't.
It's not like there's anything special that happened to Kahn or Onaga that made the One Being get into their heads. That's not how it works. The One Being is everywhere and in everyone and everything. It just happens to benefit from anyone who has ambitions to conquer realms or merge realms or find all the Kamidogus or anything like that. So it's a stronger influence on main villains like Kahn and Onaga, but it's not like they're completely possessed. Most of what they're doing, they would've done anyway.
It's like...have you ever thought about something so much that you went to bed and that night you had a dream about it? You didn't control the dream, you just had it because that's what was on your mind. Well coming back to life is what's on the One Being's mind, so that's what he's trying to dream about.
But he doesn't want there to be a universe. He's in sort of a death/sleep thing. The realms are made of shattered pieces of his body and the people and their lives are all a dream he's having. And he wants to wake back up but he can't.
It's not like there's anything special that happened to Kahn or Onaga that made the One Being get into their heads. That's not how it works. The One Being is everywhere and in everyone and everything. It just happens to benefit from anyone who has ambitions to conquer realms or merge realms or find all the Kamidogus or anything like that. So it's a stronger influence on main villains like Kahn and Onaga, but it's not like they're completely possessed. Most of what they're doing, they would've done anyway.
It's like...have you ever thought about something so much that you went to bed and that night you had a dream about it? You didn't control the dream, you just had it because that's what was on your mind. Well coming back to life is what's on the One Being's mind, so that's what he's trying to dream about.


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Thx Razz & Razor's Edge. I should have known that as I played MKD.
This story is deeper than I thought.
This story is deeper than I thought.
No problem, i havent played it in a while either so i figured i'd be off on something.
I just hope someone finds about Raiden's message besides the elder gods (Quan Chi? Maybe Shinnok gives Quan a mind-reading thing like he gave Mileena where Quan can see the messages the same time Raiden does?)
And of course Raiden has good intentions, but trying to change fate sounds like something that would upset the elders. Imagine if others could do that (Shinnok). Time would be too hectic and messed up.
I just hope someone finds about Raiden's message besides the elder gods (Quan Chi? Maybe Shinnok gives Quan a mind-reading thing like he gave Mileena where Quan can see the messages the same time Raiden does?)
And of course Raiden has good intentions, but trying to change fate sounds like something that would upset the elders. Imagine if others could do that (Shinnok). Time would be too hectic and messed up.
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unseenwombat Wrote:
This story is deeper than I thought.
This story is deeper than I thought.
More than people realize. ;)

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Hopefully Raiden's fatality is gruesome as I don't personally think he's had one quite as good as he did back in MK1. With the amount of characters being revealing I have a feeling the original roster we've seen in demos is going to surpass 26 slots, maybe rise up to about 30.
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