I haven 't read everything in this thread, but just to throw my two cents in...

When I first heard about the concept of this game, I threw up in my mouth a little. Seemed like a horrible idea. Especially in light of the fact that this was supposed to be the darkest, grittiest MK game in a while.

Now? I've actually kind of warmed to the idea. If they pick a few oddball DC characters rather than just stack the roster with 10 obvious ones, I may even play a few of them. It really all depends on how the MK team handles it.

Truthfully, I'm most concerned about the fighting system at this point. They've promised a great new system- here's hoping they deliver. It's been extremely frustrating playing the last few games, because they've all been great in every way except (imo) for the fighting system, which of course matters most. So long as MKvDC has an enjoyable fighting system, I think I'll be able to get some manner of enjoyment out of it. Can't wait to see some more in-game fighting clips.

I don't know how any MK fan is excited about this game. Are you that excited to see your favorite franchise add some awful game to the series? No, only newbs are. It's really showing who is an MK Vet and who isn't on this site by the replies I see.

That HAVE been capitalizing on why people buy MK, Thats why the last handful of releases have been terrible. The MK Team finally got a clue and stopped catering to their "Violence over gameplay" fanbase, Now I'm not saying MK Vs DC is the right way to go about it BUT it's a start. On a completly different note, If anybody on this board is familiar with WB's licensing policy on video games knows if this game is crap, Midway will get RAPED with higher licensing fees.



are we talking about Deception or Armageddon, because both of those games were awful?

Essentially, I think that's merely a difference of opinion (there's alot more to it than that too). Mainly because it was an addictive game to play back in the day. MK1-T and even MK4 had some good gameplay attributes to offer. Sure, the aesthetics and gimmicks helped sell the games alot, I realize, but I haven't seen that addictive gameplay mature or even return yet. So I disagree on that stand alone point.

I feel like, if the gameplay of MK's past matured over the years, the games overall would look and play much differently than they do now. Along with the gimmicks, and the aesthetics as prominent side-notes to why people purchase MK properties.

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I agree on the licensing issue. But I've been told that it might also affect DC characters' licensing costs in future gaming ventures too. Like, if this game flops, their characters could be worth less in this form of media to other investing developers.

Amusing, but pointless.Mortal Kombat isn't a "dark" game ( and hasn't been since MK2.) Mindless violence doesn't make a game dark, in fact most modern Batman comics are darker in tone than MK ever was.

The biggest problem i see with Mortal Kombat's gameplay is its creators inability to learn from their mistakes and to learn in general. They need to completely rethink they way they make fighting games, they can change the technology all they want, but if the same flawed principles are applied, the gameplay will always be garbage, Dial a combos suck, they were broken in MK3 and they were broken in Killer Instinct, two very different games but the same flawed principle is applied (which is a good indication on why we haven't seen another KI) Ed and Co need to to take a trip to Namco so they can get schooled on how to make a functional 3d Fighter.

BREAKING NEWS......MK 9 Plans Announced

It will Be MK vs The Thundercats

Namco is overrated. Tekken stopped being fun after like 5 for me. I like SC but that's the only franchise I'll buy from Namco nowadays. Sure I'm a bit ticked about Yoda but I don't care that much since SC will still be SC without removing core features of the game. Quake Wars is T, but that doesn't bother me because it's a fun game and again, they didn't break away from what Quake is. Less violent but still fun. Now with MK the only reasons I'm pissed are:

1. Boon promised that the game would go back to its roots, but instead we get a crossover with DC.

2. When you take away fatalities, you get just about as far away from MK's roots as you can get.

3. I hate DC. I hate DC with a burning passion.

If violence wasn't as important as it is with MK, maybe I'd be a bit less pissed. Unlikely due to my hate of DC but then at least I'd have the pleasure of ripping Batman to pieces and bathing in Superman's blood.

Whats is your beef with DC?

100% Agreed. No, 1000% agreed.

I need to tell you this now.

One thing I've learned from dealing with programming is that it's easy to get lost in all the programming itself(even if you do know what you're doing). It's also easy to get stuck on "go with what works" or "go with what you know" about programming in general.

What I think is that it's not often looked at as a feasible venture for them to re-create the mechanics from scratch like they definitely should by now. What I have a kind of conspiracy theory about is that, if they did truly re-create the mechanics, Boon & Company would almost have to loose their jobs....so they won't do it (or haven't done it up to this point) for the sake of the old technologies language that they've become accustomed to.

In my theory, they also do not want to, or feel like it's not necessary to learn newer languages in programing(superiority complex coupled with the fact that they keep selling alot of games regardless, coupled with the fact that once you know a programming language, alot of the newer stuff translates well enough to get a game made).

See, they didn't want to strictly employ what they may have learned thus far until this new game....but that remains to be seen right? K.

Well, I think it's either that, or they've been getting taught for the last 2-5 years collectively as a Team of programmers, and are ready to show off what they've accomplished with this MKvsDC game. That's enough time to keep an income coming in with old technology, learn new things, and produce a new game with the new technologies all the while....?..?

And of course the worst possiblity is that they actually haven't invested in themselves at all, and really do intend on using the same sad old methods until the franchise actually does see fit to pull the plug. They may actually be incapable. And I'd be inclined to agree if this game doesn't prove to be the opposite.
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Either way, it's shitty to take fans through. Especially because this fandom seems to be driven by perfectly good principals for our favorite game. Morale and Faith is now being tested like never before, but nevertheless has been being tested for a long time for a lot of the people who actually still hover around the games.


I mean seriously. No Improvement? No real difference?

That's literally "stupid(definition: 3)" or "retarded(definition: 2)" on their part.

I'd call for a re-vamp of the MkTeam in that case, not another re-vamp of the games.

Ultimately though, I think it's fine to say that if this game goes to hell, they need some new blood on the team. Let the guys who have been around for forever simply benefit from the profit sharing or something....but get them guys up outta their seats and let new people with real applied knowledge of the new programming methods take a couple shots at it. Especially those of us who are fans and are able to participate on a team such as theirs.

EDIT: I know better than that comment.

Bottom - bottom line is, Midway needs to give up the control of this property to it's creators(take royalties, or only charge them for distribution or something Midway, but unlock the chains already). Boon's been around long enough to do the deals and be the face-man himself.....And if he can't yet, What the Fuck is the hold up, eh? He's fucking 40yrs old now...let him do what he wants to with what he helped make....Either that or go get Tobias and let him eat off the thing for a minute.

bah...whatever

Yep or they need to go back to 2,5 D(?) like MK4. Atleast that worked IMO. I wonder if MK can have the same (improved) gameplay it had back in the day, but in a 3D enviroment. I'm no pro programmer, but I can imagine with the technology today and the new systems it can.

This is my problem with MK nowadays. Everything I loved about MK is gone. Everything that made the game IMO is gone. The gameplay, the atmosphere, realistic looking characters, the story (IMO).

Good point by Pred about the team. I was thinking the same thing. In terms that the team needs to be reinvented. No desrespect to the team and Boon tough, they did a nice job. And without Boon there wouldn't be a Mortal Kombat in the first place. But like you see in sports, when a team doesn't accomplish certain goals, they change the trainer and staff. And a lot of times (when done right) it leads to success. But I think Midway is a big prob, since they are on top and the boss. And they are the ones setting down the goals. So I guess that the franchise needs to be sold to a company that can revive MK.

Or what Ive been thinking for years is that they need to put a stop to MK and let it be for what it was and begin a new fighting game. Maybe with Tobias, because Ive missed his influences in the last few games.

blehh..can talk all day long about this..

I explained it on page 6. Sorry if you missed it.

Im just hoping that theyve come up with some creative finishing moves to replace the grusome fatalities we've all grown to love.

But hey thats what the MK crew is there for

This vid speaks truth.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wuuWirLX-4U&feature;=related

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

If the guy in the vid could stop dropping F bombs long enough to form a coherent sentence, maybe... just maybe I could respect his opinion and telling Ed Boon to kill himself is just flat out childish. Grow up folks.

I just wanted to share this with everyone becuase I like to point out that boon did quote something fresh but instead we got mk vs dc universe....

http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/mortal-kombat-8/news/next-gen-mortal-kombat-reaffirmed/a-2007100312233076023/g-20070205122339792042

He probaly was still workin on MK8 in this stage. He said he worked for like 8 months on it before the VS. idea was presented.

I kinda don't mind MK vs. DC now. Sofar it looks like even if it was a real MK 8..I wouldn't like it. So I hope that the real next gen Mk will be better then what Ive seen sofar.

It is really hard for me to be super excited about the thrive for a teen rating (which is understandable), but boy it would be great to see how brutal superheroes have to go to win a match i.e. superman getting to really unleash his rage and emotions. It will hinder the game i believe if fatalities are taken out. But I have faith Boon and the rest of their team will compensate for the scraping of the infamous kill moves.

Err . The rant above wasn't good much :P . Snakeeyes03 ( or _Dante_ ) rant can't be beatened and happens to be the best MK VS DC rant IMO . But yeah this game is going to suck hard . Why does there have to be no fatalities when he said we were returning to its roots ? Bah Boon's eyebrows can speak better then himself trying to give the speech , Boon fucking lied to us .

MK VS DC = Sell out !

There's only one problem with MK vs dcu: the fans. If it was a normal Mortal Kombat game, you'd say "Ohh, this is ok, i'll go and buy it." No matter how broken it is. But they throw in a couple of comic book characters, you'll turn your back on MK and act like your ashamed of it. If you think you can do better, make your own damn game. This game has serious potential and the trailer looks great. The graphics never looked better, the only thing that doesn't look good to me is the freefall kombat. It looks unbalanced, but that's just an assumption. Some crossovers became the best things.

Marvel V.S Capcom: wierd concept, but turned to be one of the greatest games.

Snake in Brawl: Makes you scratch your head a little huh? Well, he turned out to be a top-tier character

Peace! im out

For anyone saying MK vs DCU is going to be a bad game i would like them to read this.

Think of MK vs DCU this way, no fatalities (which sucks) but without the fatalities they have extra room for other things. As seen in Armageddon you can have tons of characters and more with kreate A Fighter. But without fatalites this could mean ( i am hoping)
A) Really freaking sweet KAF (Kreate A Fighter) - more stuff for creating mk characters and superhero/villains
and/or
B) More fighters and better fighting.

Now i doubt it will be as good as i hope but that is why i am hoping. Think of it as a dc fighting game, not MK (it makes it look alot better without the high expectations). I mean you can't really call that a MK game get serious a MK game is gore and destroying the crap out of people. I think of this as some new game that might be ok but not as MK 8 because to me MK 8 should pretty much just like Armageddon but with more characters, stages, things for KAF, and better graphics. Now if you think of it this way. MK vs DCU looks like a game i might buy when it drops to $20-30$

Anyone who's complaining about there being little blood and no fatalities is a fuckin moron. If you just want blood, go play Manhunt or something. Blood and violence isn't a big deal.

For anyone who form their opinion on DC based on all the shows and movies is an idiot. Go read anything about Batman, and tell me he doesn't make every MK to date look as dark as a kid reading the cat in the hat. Besides, MK isn't even that dark. Well, MK3 and MK4 were kind of dark but every other MK game isn't. How the hell is Motor Kombat dark? How about Animalities? Oh noes, Shang Tsung turned that guy into a baby! IT'S SO F*CKING DARK!!!! >_>

The people who think that MK and DC just don't match up are the only people who make any sense. MK and DC don't match up, but complaining about DC being too kiddy and that it's rated T is just stupid. I bet half the people complaining about this game being too kiddish aren't even old enough to actually buy an M rated game!

Btw, I can't wait for this game. Both series kick ass imo, and seeing Batman and Sub-Zero fighting was just awesome. Besides, everyone knows that when the game comes out, most of you are gonna buy it.

Ok , first off Marvel VS Capcom did well and did match together . Think about it , they both had the cartoonish feel , and they both had about the same rating of violence . Now Snake in Brawl I can understand , but did Snake himself in Metal Gear is the main person who somehow makes a lot of gore that made the game considered M rated ? Most likely its the bosses , enemies , plot , etc. that made the game M rated depending on what situation they did . Also if your pulling off to us disappointed MK fans to " Make your own damn game . " well look at MK Mugen ( and I mean the official MK Mugen by the MK Mugen team , not the shitty new versions 4.7 4.8 4.999999 4.omggg by some other who weren't great at all . ) , that was a fan made game , and it hell of a lot looks better then MK VS DC not because it's 2d , but it kept what MK had , which was the gore , and person fighting a person who matches the fighting quality . Remember MK was infact one of the first fighting games to feature gore and violence that made many of us fans of MK until now .

Anybody that thinks Marvel and Capcom mesh well together and are in any way similar in concept and look has no real knowledge of either brand. The reason why that game worked is there was NO STORYLINE so they could have random characters from either brand fight each other., if they had tried to implement a story, Fans would have given that release just as much criticism as MK vs DCU is getting right now.